I made some calls to the county building department to get some info on what would be needed to accomplish what I want to build (retaining walls and garage/shop). There is a stormwater retention pond on my property that serves the six parcels (4 houses) on our dead end private road. I found out that the previous owner of our house was the HOA. He apparently let the HOA and the pond permit expire. So now I have to form a new HOA and renew the pond permit. If there's no HOA I have to pay the renewal fees and annual fees out of pocket before I can move forward.
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shortykorte
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How much is a pond permit?
With all those new goodies, you’ll need a bigger shop.
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rmack898
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I can store the scaffolding until you get a shop built.
shortykorte
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Sorry Mack, I got dibs and I’m closer.
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Jayman17
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TF, glad to see your shop underway. It's been awhile since I stopped by your thread. Subscribed now so I won't forget. 
Sorry to hear about your bid for a stick built shop, that sounds like the prices in the PNW! I thought it would be cheaper in FL.
Hope you come up with a plan you can be happy with because you are buying some nice stuff for your shop.
Jay
Sorry to hear about your bid for a stick built shop, that sounds like the prices in the PNW! I thought it would be cheaper in FL.
Hope you come up with a plan you can be happy with because you are buying some nice stuff for your shop.
Jay
Info I received today is that there MUST be an HOA in effect because the pond design approval was based on there being an HOA to cover maintenance and repair costs. They gave me a list of "probable" annual costs of upkeep, assuming maintenance had to be hired out. Debris removal, sediment removal, mowing and weed control, and scarifying pond bottom every five years ..... would cost $2950.00 per year. If neglected, the county could step in as an ecological emergency, assume the maintenance, then assess AT LEAST those costs to the homeowners being served by the drainage system.
Plus, all of this would prevent me from obtaining a building permit. The guy I bought this house from has screwed me in so many ways.
cbacres
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Can’t you go back on title insurance, I don’t know for sure, but it may cover stuff like this.
Also, look into previous owner not disclosing this stuff. If the pond serves all those properties, it shouldn’t be your sole burden, the whole hood should be locked down.
Hope it works out for you.
rmack898
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John, my first stop would be the county or state board of realtors. Someone in your sales transaction is liable for failure to disclose.
I realize that attorneys are not required for RE transactions in Florida but there may have been an attorney review clause in your sales agreement. If there was such a clause and you didn't exercise it, you may be on the hook. Maybe the HOA should pass to the property owner on your block that has owned their property the longest.
I realize that attorneys are not required for RE transactions in Florida but there may have been an attorney review clause in your sales agreement. If there was such a clause and you didn't exercise it, you may be on the hook. Maybe the HOA should pass to the property owner on your block that has owned their property the longest.
shortykorte
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That *****. Starting the HOA back up will be fun. I don’t know if 4 members will be good or bad. I’d assume they’d rather pay the HOA fee then have County start charging.
Hope they’re all agreeable especially the new house.
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No attorney, and there's this as well : "A fiduciary duty means that you have a legal and ethical obligation to act in someone’s best interest. For instance, a real estate attorney has to act in the best interest of their clients. Real estate agents in Florida, are actually presumed to be transaction agents, which means they do not have a fiduciary relationship with their clients."
rmack898
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So I guess the RE agents have a scumbag permit.
I would want to see the other 4 property owners deeds and see what, if any covenants are attached to their properties. Time to spend an afternoon at the county clerk's office.
shortykorte
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Hopefully a minimal impact will be found. Definitely some headaches and paper chasing ahead.
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The RE attorney is working on re-instating the HOA 'not-for-profit' corporation (this is going to be fun presenting to the neighbors). She said state re-instatement fees are going to be over $700. Also sent completed paperwork to Leon County for pond permit re-instatement. Inspection part is my biggest concern. The south end of the pond was already so neglected that there are full-size trees growing, creating a permanently wet area. This could be an expensive fix.
shortykorte
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Just in time for Christmas.
I’ve seen trees, even purposely planted trees in retention pond. The purposely planted trees are have always been Cypress.
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I’ve seen trees, even purposely planted trees in retention pond. The purposely planted trees are have always been Cypress.
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rmack898
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Sorry to hear about all the red tape John.
I would still look at everyone's deeds and see what covenants are attached so that if anyone objects you can show them what their deed says.
I would still look at everyone's deeds and see what covenants are attached so that if anyone objects you can show them what their deed says.
I now have the re-instated retention pond permit and re-instated HOA not-for-profit corporation documents ( I'm not even going to approach neighbors until after my building is completed). Talked to two concrete guys about the retaining wall, neither one has gotten back to me. The second engineer I called actually showed up today and seemed like he's ready to get going. He advised me to first call a civil engineer to do soil borings and flood plane statement. I have two to call today. Progress, I hope.
shortykorte
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Good deal. The engineer isn’t a civil engineer? Strange he can’t do both
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Happy Thanksgiving!!!!
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Jayman17
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TF, have a Happy Thanksgiving! I hope you get your red tape issues worked out on your shop permit.
Jay
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I've been going back and forth with CarportCentral working out design and pricing on a 46x48x12 tubular steel building. After meeting with the local (100 miles away) manufacturer/installer I decided to put a deposit down before steel prices rise further. My building shell will cost $34k (I supply entry doors and overhead doors ). I'm actually "settling" for this building, it's the cheap and quick option with the least amount of labor on my part. Finishing the interior will be enough work.
I found out I needed to have soil logs done before I can apply for permits. Turns out they found signs of "pipe clay". Apparently something unique to this area and not good. It requires an "engineered" monolithic slab (superseding the design supplied by the building co.). Requires a LOT more steel and a LOT more concrete. I'll find out if this scares off the one concrete contractor I had show up last week (he still hasn't gotten back to me with a price for the retaining wall).
I found out I needed to have soil logs done before I can apply for permits. Turns out they found signs of "pipe clay". Apparently something unique to this area and not good. It requires an "engineered" monolithic slab (superseding the design supplied by the building co.). Requires a LOT more steel and a LOT more concrete. I'll find out if this scares off the one concrete contractor I had show up last week (he still hasn't gotten back to me with a price for the retaining wall).
racer-john
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Indeed a long painful journey, but you will get your shop built the way you want it.
shortykorte
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Shouldn’t scare off a legitimate contractor since it’s a known occurrence around here. Hope you can get someone soon.
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cbacres
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Hope you had a Merry Christmas and glad to see you’re getting some movement.
Sounds like this building is similar to the shed I put up, you’ll like it, it’s a strong and simple design.
I had the thin insulation installed with the roof, it makes a huge difference on keeping the radiant heat down in mine, but it’s also not getting finished.
Here in Ft. Myers, the code called for a mono slab with a 12”x8” footer, I could of built concrete block walls on it.
The building came with engineering for building and mono slab. The pipe clay forced the re-engineering by a local engineer. Now it needs more steel and intermediate footings in both directions.
The size of my building pushed it into the "commercial" category which requires doubled legs that get stitch-welded together, resulting in 2-1/2" x 5" legs, and heavier truss design. All this made it a little more acceptable than their basic building design.
cbacres
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How’s the process coming along?
Hope everything is moving in your direction!
Hope everything is moving in your direction!
So far, Craig. I tried to submit app for permits a few weeks ago. Got rejected because engineer and building company used 2017 codes. January 1st Florida switched to 2020 codes. Had to have everything re-done. Just got new plans from building company, ready to re-submit. Guy at Planning said could be three weeks for permits 
. We shall see. Then it's getting a concrete guy to start.
. We shall see. Then it's getting a concrete guy to start.rmack898
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shortykorte
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I’m reliable and I know concrete....
It’s hard!
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Jayman17
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TF, now I know why you moved to Florida, the GJ members in FL are so knowledgeable and helpful. 
Jay
Jay
moon_tanner
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Welcome to Florida! I hope the build goes better. I'm sorry for the problems you have had with your property.
