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zkdiesel

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What’s people’s general thoughts on house building right now? Have a plan drawn up, 80 acre property with a crappy house on it that’s set for demo is bought

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Wait to see how this all plays out or move forewards? Can’t even get some of the permits I need right now with things shut down.
Building up here now seems like it has gotten expensive. Maybe this will drive the price down coming soon, or do we think products May go up?

My income has been staying steady, and have enough saved up to build on the cash basis for a 300-400k house

Maybe I’ll put the time into renovating the two 100x60 buildings and wait in the house a year or two. Living comfortably 7 miles from there currently
 
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jeepinerdeep

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Contractors here that are not permitted to work, are just creating a backlog. I don't foresee anything positive coming out of that for the consumer. I think it's too soon to gauge any market changes, maybe more like 6-12 months.
 

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It seems like this is a long-term house for you and and that you are set well enough to not need a mortgage, and your income is holding steady. You're going to be be fine moving forward when you are able to get permits. It might be easier to get the subs depending upon if the new construction market slows down any.
 

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I’m wondering the same thing. I live in a trailer on acreage currently. Waiting on final plans from the architect after making some changes to the preliminary plans.

We started this process about a year ago and was put off by the price that the builders in my area were wanting to do our home. I was especially put off by the fact that my father in law and I built his home which is close to the same square footage that my wife and I are wanting and seeing what we were able to build his house for. He kept meticulous notes down to the number of nails that we used. He came in right at $130k and that was having the roof, kitchen cabinets, siding, drywall and flooring subbed out. I can’t get a builder to even talk to me at almost triple that.

Finally I just decided to bite the bullet and pony up the cash. It was either that or keep living in a trailer and prolonging my dream of a custom house. Then the Covid happened. Now I’m wondering if I might should wait another six months and let these builders work through some of their back log and try them again for a better price. I also might be in a unique situation as I’m in the Houston area and I don’t know if you have seen what the price of oil is trading at but when I looked a couple of hours ago it was $15 a barrel. This might hurt our local economy more than the Covid has.
 

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My neighbor is in their middle of their home build, still have a ton of people going there and doing work daily. Hard part for them is to the inspections and supplies as those business are shut down.
 

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Mine is stopped ... who knows. I do have a contract ... never a dull moment
 

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Looking 10 feet ahead it seems now would be a good time based on supply/demand. However, if the floodgates open all at once builders may have more work than they need. Unrelated but here in Baltimore-Washington area I’m having a hard time getting quotes for a decent sized asphalt driveway...I haven’t seen any hunger set in the trades.
 

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We are in the middle to second half of our new home build. Got a contract on our current house. My buddies have asked me "you are still going to move forward on the new one"... yup... if i lose my job I cant pay for either so might as well already be in the new one LOL.
 

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I also might be in a unique situation as I’m in the Houston area and I don’t know if you have seen what the price of oil is trading at but when I looked a couple of hours ago it was $15 a barrel. This might hurt our local economy more than the Covid has.

I grew up in the Houston area. I currently have more friends laid off because of the oil prices than because of COVID.


I think once you can get the permits, then you should be ok to build. It sounds like you've planned for this. Go for it.
 

jimindm

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I think its pretty much business as usual around here. For contractors anyway.

Guys that are doing remodels maybe slowed down. Unless the customers can sort of move out. Guys that do replacement windows, kitchen and bath upgrades. They do not want to be in a house full of people, any more than the people do not want a kitchen unusable or others coming in everyday.

It sounds like you do not have to finance any of it, so that part could be good. Do you already have plans and drawing ready to go?

I would not be surprised if you may not have a few issues though. Some come to mind.

The permits and inspections would be one. Most municipalities are running skeleton crews. It may take longer to get any of that going.

Even though you have the funds, can you get it when you need it. I know my bank has great drive thru service right now, but if you need to go in for any reason it is appointment basis.

Would contractors take a personnel check? If you need cash, or a guaranteed form of payment like a cashiers check, you may not get that timely. Say the guy digging the basement calls today he can start tomorrow and be done in two days. But you can not get inside the bank for three days.

I do not think builders have slowed around here. I would think getting the basic materials would not be a problem. Concrete, framing, drywall and such. The finish products maybe something different.

Not knowing the plans, but anything outside of off the shelf type stuff may be hard to get. Stuff like custom made cabinets, certain colors of shingles or paint, plumbing and lighting fixtures.

A cabinet maker may be closed or simply not doing installs. A shower head may not be a problem, but a shower rainfall type of ceiling might be. Front door that is basic, or is it surrounded in glass.

Not knowing how long any of this will last, and the fact that finishes will be the last things you will need. We maybe past this buy the time you need it. I suppose as long as you could get rough in specs, you would be good to go.

I would guess it would make a difference to me about where you are buying products for the home. A lumber yard would still be able to get you framing, and I would guess there is no problems with concrete and drywall. But if you are using a carpet or flooring guy, maybe the show room is closed. Buying lights and plumbing stuff for rough in may not be a problem, but are you using the boutique lighting and plumbing shops for fixtures.

I guess all in all. It really is not putting you in a bind if you have it saved to build. I think I would sort of make sure you could at least get it enclosed. Material that you want is available and guys can do it.
 
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The only thing my builder told me he thought would get tight later in the year was tile as almost 100% of it comes out of China. He said almost everything else they use is made in USA and he wasnt super concerned about supplies outside of the tile.
 

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Around my area, they haven't slowed building new homes one bit. There are three new subdivisions going in, at a rapid pace. Maybe the builders were able to get their permits approved before the "Wuhan Chinese Red Death" came to be, I dunno. But construction is definitely not slowing, from what I can see.
 

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The only thing my builder told me he thought would get tight later in the year was tile as almost 100% of it comes out of China. He said almost everything else they use is made in USA and he wasnt super concerned about supplies outside of the tile.

Cheap maybe -- the better stuff is from USA and Europe
 

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They are still pecking away building a couple of houses in my neighborhood in The Tucson area, but progress seems slow for some reason.

A more telling tale is the list of real estate transactions (closings) in the local Tucson Sunday paper. There are probably 75 listed on a typical Sunday, but last Sunday there were more like a dozen or two. And that was for closings in March, before the lockdowns really hit home.

I wouldn’t sign anything right now.

The other check is from a couple of Facebook groups I am on. Some equipment operators claim no slowdown, while others say the bottom dropped out of their markets and they have cut rates 25% to salvage their business. Of course you always get the macho guys who claim they will never drop rates, come Hell or High Water.
 

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Totally depends on your locality and personal financial situation. Around here there was a little bit of noise but it's business-as-usual now. You can't meet the county folks in person, but I was able to drop off my applications (or mail in) and they called to confirm a few details then emailed back the permits. Same story with Mueller.. they're not meeting in person but mailing and emailing drawings and contracts. Contractor I've met in person a few times at the property to walk around and look at stuff but we've talked on the phone mostly anyway.
 

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I think it all depends on what "consumer confidence" exists at or around July 4th.

I see people's wages cutting back and big companies which are NOT making "consumer goods" like P&G, grocery stores, Amazon seem to be pulling out all kinds of severe cost-cutting measures that are focused all the way to year-end. I think you add those two together and it could be a recipe for some trouble.

For the moment, I think that permits which are already pulled are going to be a mad race to finish them up to try to hook buyers and leave the slower builders in the spec-dust. I anticipate an amazing amount of corners cut in the need for speed.

Past those spec houses being built (I know of 4 subdivision-places around here fitting that) is where I think opportunity might lie.

The yang to all this would be the potential nearly-unlimited cash that the government could inject. I'm not an economist and know this has some long-term cost but I can't say exactly what. If that upholds enough consumer confidence enough to keep the general populous spending (cash or credit) then there might be nothing.

Too early to tell.
 

larry4406

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New construction guy here..

We build in VA, MD, and DC. Construction in these regions is considered essential, so we have been plugging away.

We have seen a reduction in staffing by some trades, a need to not "stack trades" in a house by giving them more time and alone time, busted schedules, etc.

Our cabinets (typically 6-8 week lead time) all come out of Pennsylvania and the PA Governor has kept those plants closed so our finish end schedules will soon grind to a halt (no cabinets, no tops, no plumbing final, no mirror installation, no appliance installation, etc).

We are starting to be informed of back orders for light fixtures (not sure COA), plumbing fixtures (not sure of COA), and longer than normal lead times for carpet and interior doors.

Inspections are all being done via FaceTime and/or video submissions. The inspectors do not walk the unit yet I do with phone in hand. Inspections which normally take 30-45 minutes are now taking 4-5 hours due to the size of videos and need to drive to Corporate to use their bandwidth to send the files.

Not sure if this is helpful to the OP or not as he is in a different area.

Stay safe all!
 

wrenchguy

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As a retired builder in your neighbor county to the east I never thought i'd recommend having a upper end modular put up. During these times i'd save cash. good luck.
 
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