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i really doubt they are rebranded. IR designs their own stuff. i would like to see some specs
 
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Interesting. I guess they're not too happy about companies such as Milwaukee encroaching on what has traditionally been their territory.
 
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You're saying the insides might be different? The cases are dewalts.
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Seems unlikely. If they went to the effort to leave the cases unchanged they probably didn't mess with the guts. Subtle changes would be made so the batteries wouldn't interchange between tools and charges and maybe a cosmetic add or delete here or there. I suppose it's possible they could tweak the power to create another difference...guess we'll find out soon enough.
 
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I don't think they're rebadged Dewalts at all. None of the tool look too similar as far as casing goes. Then again, I could be wrong..

Those cordless ratchets look mighty handy though!
 
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Yeah, they looked like slightly smaller versions of the IR 20v stuff to me.

Thanks for the heads up, Stuey!
 
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The 12V tools are very handy for interior work. I think I'll be picking up the drill when it comes out. I was going to get the Dewalt 12V drill since I already have the battery, but Dewalt doesn't make cordless ratchets.
 
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I don't think the battery is that big at all. If anything, it's probably like the Dewalt 12v battery. You can have your tools stand up if needed. Perhaps they felt they could design a better handling tool with the battery the way they are. I know if my Dewalt battery was set up like the Milwaukee, the ergonomics would have taken a hit.
 
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I don't think the battery is that big at all. If anything, it's probably like the Dewalt 12v battery. You can have your tools stand up if needed. Perhaps they felt they could design a better handling tool with the battery the way they are. I know if my Dewalt battery was set up like the Milwaukee, the ergonomics would have taken a hit.
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i will say the original milwaukee 12v grip is pretty fat. the new grip on the fuel stuff is pretty good. dewalt 12v grip is nice and slim. i have the old and new milqaukee stuff and coworkers have the dewalt stuff
 
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Why did yall opt for such a big battery for the new 12v line? Is there an advantage to that style battery?
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The battery is pretty small, there is not a lot of dead space inside the housing, maybe the picture is making it look big to you.
 
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Based on the comparison above, I would have thought they were a rebadge as well, however you can tell from the photo they are not identical in construction, even though they are very similar in shape.

The Dewault has a metal gearcase that is screwed to the plastic tool body from the front, looks like the IR does not have a separate gearcase, so the front bearing and gears are supported by the plastic case halves - On the surface that might appear to make the Dewault more durable, but I've learned that clever design can often trump brute force - it could be that IR figured out how to make it lighter and just as strong - or it could be that it's just made cheaper and is not as durable.

What I find is curious is that the Dewault in this comparison is an 18V tool (they call it 20V max, but it's still 18 volts) and the similar looking IR are only 12v tools - that are sized like other companies' 18v's. It doesn't really make sense, given that Milwaukee, Makita, Bosch and others are going full -bore into the compact 12V (really 10.8 volt) products, and the latest versions are quite powerful and more compact than these IR tools.

I suspect IR is seeing cordless tools make a pretty good dent in their air tool sales.
 
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Stuey said:
Interesting. I guess they're not too happy about companies such as Milwaukee encroaching on what has traditionally been their territory.
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I don't think so, i think they're just looking to expand. All I've known IR for is their pneumatic tools, never cordless. Did they even have a 12v line before this?
 
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I honestly think the picture makes the tool look big, but in actuality, they're probably sized the same as the Dewalt 12v. No way these 12v will be as big as the 18v stuff.
 
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Did they even have a 12v line before this?
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Don't think so. My guess is that they're replacing the older 14.4v stuff, just like how Dewalt, Milwaukee, etc did away with their 14.4v line-up. If anything, I welcome the change.
 
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The trigger is interesting on the ratchet. I'm use to my Milwaukee's paddle trigger but this one is positioned 180 degrees the other way for further reach.:shocking:

Very interesting line-up they got going there. They're pretty small tools, and not as big as the 20v like some thought. I wish they created a charger that would power both 12v and 20v tools like the Milwaukee.
 
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I was a little skeptical, but optimistic, when these were announced.

I spoke with a product manager, and gained a much better understanding of IR's approach to the tools.

And then yesterday a few samples arrived.

After quick inspection and simple tests, I am at a loss of words as to how good they are. I did not expect to be this impressed.
 
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Stuey, which IR did you get?

I'm looking to get the drill. Was going to get the Dewalt since I already have the 12v battery, but Dewalt doesn't make a cordless ratchet! While my Milwaukee is nice, the IR ratchet should be heavier duty with an aluminum casing. I was loosening a bolt manually the other day and I could feel some flexing in the Milky's plastic body. The bolt was factory torqued to 20 ft-lbs.
 
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Stuey, which IR did you get?

I'm looking to get the drill. Was going to get the Dewalt since I already have the 12v battery, but Dewalt doesn't make a cordless ratchet! While my Milwaukee is nice, the IR ratchet should be heavier duty with an aluminum casing. I was loosening a bolt manually the other day and I could feel some flexing in the Milky's plastic body. The bolt was factory torqued to 20 ft-lbs.
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Drill, impact, screwdriver, flashlight, ratchet.

I haven't spent a lot of time with them yet, but enough to be impressed. It's going to take time for me to get a proper review up, so if you have any specific Q's, I can try to answer them earlier.
 
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Drill, impact, screwdriver, flashlight, ratchet.

I haven't spent a lot of time with them yet, but enough to be impressed. It's going to take time for me to get a proper review up, so if you have any specific Q's, I can try to answer them earlier.
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What size impact did you get? The 1/4 looks like it has a lot of balls.

Looking forward to the review.
 
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GSteg, dewalt does make a 12 volt max ratchet available from MAC labeled as MAC but uses dewalts batteries. It's the BRS025-S2
 
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GSteg, dewalt does make a 12 volt max ratchet available from MAC labeled as MAC but uses dewalts batteries. It's the BRS025-S2
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Didn't know they had those. Price is a bit steep though, comparable to Snap On.
 
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Fwiw my driver offered me one for $300, list is 379 I was tempted but have a Milwaukee and no other 12 volt max dewalt tools
 
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Picked up the 12V 1/4" ratchet kit for $170 and the 20V 3/8" ratchet kit for $270. Already have the 1/2" impact wrench kit for a few months now. I had each of these tools in the previous generation version, 19.2V 1/2" impact, 14.4V 3/8" ratchet and 7.2V 1/4" ratchet and can make a few observations. First off, the new impact is way more powerful than the old one. The ratchets I’ll wait and see. A good thing is there is only two voltage batteries but you need a separate charger for each. That’s STUPID! With the old models, all 3 different batteries could be charged by the same charger. There are 2 different 20V batteries that are interchangeable with the 20V tools but the bigger battery on the 3/8” ratchet makes the tool a bit heavy, not a big deal. Oh, and I do have the 20V flashlight I got new on Ebay for $40. That is a very handy little light. It stands up by itself and you can tilt the light to the perfect position.
 
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The 12v and 20v lights are pretty much identical. I use both, but the 20V is my to-go light since it'll last for hours. The 12V will last a long time too (2ah), but the battery doesn't have a gauge. It'll turn off without warning and that kind of ***** when I'm working under my car.

I have the 1/4" ratchet. I'll snap a picture of it next to my Milwaukee. First impression is that it's a high quality tool even though it's made in Taiwan. More on that tonight, as I have other IR 12v tools in the mix.
 
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It's been months since I've own the IQV12 1/4" hex driver. Let me tell you, I'm impressed with this thing. I have not charge the battery since I got it months ago and it's still holding charge. I use it maybe a couple times a week for various projects and I can't seem to kill the battery! Still wish it has a battery gauge even though the battery seems to last forever. I love the compactness and I would say minus the battery, I can fit it in tighter spaces than with the Bosch PS41. It's quite a small and that's very apparent when you hold it in your hand. However, it has more than enough power that I haven't used my 18V Bosch impact since. Obviously it's not meant to drive big lag screws, but it does very well with 3" wood screws and whatnot.

Anyone else out there using the IQV12 lineup?
 
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