Wrench97
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Looking for a 22" self propelled mower, looks like the only gas engine around is the Briggs which do not seem to be what they once were, so that leaves battery power, EGO or Torro any opinions?
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No advice other than to choose wisely. Our state (PA) remains very much up for grabs politically.
Small home owner grade ICEs could be subject to bans. Even California’s 2021 ban was on sale not operation. But after this summer who knows. The press seems determined to panic people about global warming.
Banning lawn mowers is something townships can easily do to respond to public pressure. And honestly, our lawn mowers pretty much **** in terms of exhaust and energy efficiency.
My advice is think about it. Maybe buy a really nice gas model while you still can. Or make the switch. I have a 30hp exmark zero turn. Love it. But it’s loud as hell. I could probably get 2 hours out of a commercial electric mower. I own 5 acres but mow probably half of that.
FWIW I’m shopping for a bobcat. They just came out with an electric version ($$$$$$) that would suit me just fine. I’m a little worried a diesel model that would be pricey even used may depreciate to nearly nothing as tougher legislation is passed.
Times are changing.
Small home owner grade ICEs could be subject to bans. Even California’s 2021 ban was on sale not operation. But after this summer who knows. The press seems determined to panic people about global warming.
Banning lawn mowers is something townships can easily do to respond to public pressure. And honestly, our lawn mowers pretty much **** in terms of exhaust and energy efficiency.
My advice is think about it. Maybe buy a really nice gas model while you still can. Or make the switch. I have a 30hp exmark zero turn. Love it. But it’s loud as hell. I could probably get 2 hours out of a commercial electric mower. I own 5 acres but mow probably half of that.
FWIW I’m shopping for a bobcat. They just came out with an electric version ($$$$$$) that would suit me just fine. I’m a little worried a diesel model that would be pricey even used may depreciate to nearly nothing as tougher legislation is passed.
Times are changing.
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Pinemarten
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It depends on the size of your lawn.
kaymccampbell
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My kid bought the Crapsman M220 self-propelled at Blowes. It's fine. Starts n runs n cuts grass. His lawn is too small for a rider and too big to push the whole thing in one session.
WhoWhatNow
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Consider an robot mower. There are several new models that use GPS instead of in ground wire. They are expensive but they save you lots of time.
laser3kw
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that's all fine until it becomes self aware.....
WhoWhatNow
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that's all fine until it becomes self aware.....
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Looks like you are correct. Go to an actual Honda dealer and talk to them not HD/Lowe’s. Also it does not appear that the HRN is part of the recall
txvwnut
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I have an EGO that’s about 4 years old now and the only issue I’ve had with it is the variable part of the self propel circuitry quit working so it has defaulted to a set speed.
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Firebrick43
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exmark, toro, bad boy and ariens all make 21" mowers with a kawasaki 6hp engine. If I recall cub cadet has several models with the commercial kohler as does scag.
MileHighRover
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I've been very pleased with my Toro 60v self propelled mower. Season three and all is well.
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This could make shopping the complete EGO lineup easier.
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VolvoRyan
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Honestly, I just hate little ICE's now. What a PITA. I'm just flogging a bunch of Ryobi 18V stuff (chainsaw/hedge trimmer/weed-wacker) to keep our acre up. At some point I'll need to get some grown-up electric tools. My 2-cycle versions are gathering dust.
I still haven't seen an electric mower that I want to throw $$$ money at. For now, the 2021 Husqvarna with the 48" deck and 24hp Briggs has been OK. Not sure I'd recommend it.
If we had a bit more yard, I'd love a diesel JD... or something a bit more cheerful to wrench on. Someone on the way into town has a Farmall M for sale in their front yard.
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theoldwizard1
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I have always been a Toro guy, but make sure to get one with a cat aluminum deck.
tncatadjuster
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3 years in and I like this for the courtyard, I have a 54" JD Zero for the rest of the place. I'm completely pleased with recharge time and the way it functions.
Speedracer 64
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I bought a 22' Toro Recycler with Personal Pace this spring. It works great in my 1/4 acre yard. Doesn't use a lot of fuel and fires up on the first pull every time.
Uofime
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I have an ego 21” self propelled with 7.5Ah battery with ~0.15 acre of grass with hills. It works well, variable speed is great and climbs hills like a goat. Uses around 70% of a charge when the grass is high always set on mulch. Would recommend.
22" isn't a popular size for blades; a max of 21" is the standard for one blade.
As far as Briggs not being what they once were, they were never very good. Yes, they always ran, and weren't bad, but they weren't great. If Briggs was great decades ago, Honda couldn't have gotten a foothold in the US at their higher pricing; and yet they did.
As far as Briggs not being what they once were, they were never very good. Yes, they always ran, and weren't bad, but they weren't great. If Briggs was great decades ago, Honda couldn't have gotten a foothold in the US at their higher pricing; and yet they did.
Firebrick43
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There are a lot of 30" mowers out there, both riding, push, and walkhbehinds like the gravely/bcs/grillo
I ended up with the EGO with the 7.5ahr battery, it's decent a lot easier, to push and pull back then the Toro Recycler it's replacing.
Only down side the battery died with about 10 square feet of grass left to cut after a full charge.
Grass was on the tall side so maybe normal cutting length will be ok.
Only down side the battery died with about 10 square feet of grass left to cut after a full charge.
Grass was on the tall side so maybe normal cutting length will be ok.
cherokee
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Keep us updated, I would be interested in seeing how it does long haul.
Story time:
This was several years ago, so I am sure they are "better" now.
I had an electric for the dog enclosure, I did not want to take a panel out of the fence to get the "big" mower through. I thought a battery powered mower would work.
The enclosure is 100' by 50', so not all that big. There is a huge doghouse in the middle that was basically a structure of rebar and hay, roughly the size of a round bail. Hay all over it, and inside. The outside dogs lived in there, even on the coldest days inside that "house" was so nice and warm.
Anyhoo......I kept the grass fairly short in and around the pen, keep ticks down and such. The mower I had needed a few batteries to cover it, and it went down hill fast as it aged.
Neighbor tossed a gas push mower so I grabbed it, stuck a harbor freight engine on it and life was so much better.
I don't have dogs outside anymore, and the pen is torn down, but I would love to know roughly how much you mow and how it does long haul, my experience is quite dated about 5yrs ago.
AldeanFan
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Last year I bought a Honda mower from the Honda dealer.
so far It’s the best mower I’ve ever had. Much better quality than the Husqvarna I bought from Canadian Tire.
I had to drive about 30 minutes to pick it up.
The salesman said in 20 years he has only sold a replacement mower one time and that was to someone who never changed the oil. Apparently these last forever.
so far It’s the best mower I’ve ever had. Much better quality than the Husqvarna I bought from Canadian Tire.
I had to drive about 30 minutes to pick it up.
The salesman said in 20 years he has only sold a replacement mower one time and that was to someone who never changed the oil. Apparently these last forever.
It is definitely better when things aren't super-tall. It senses more/taller grass and adjusts for more power (I haven't come close to stalling the thing). I mowed a week ago and my lawn was pretty tall. I have some elevation in my yard, and use the self-propel about half the time, and it took the 10Ah all the way to one bar (but I did finish). Yesterday I went back out and while the grass was tall, it wasn't nearly as over-grown as the week before. I think I had three full bars left when I was done.
The thing is so light that self-propelled is really just a luxury - it's easy to push, and has a good handle to make it comfortable. I love how easy it is to fold it up and put it away.
My only wish is the speed was something more like the squeeze throttle like on my old Craftsman. It's not a big deal.
seber
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My walk behind is a 20 year old no name with Honda motor. It still starts on the first pull every time. Those motors truly are the nazz. The remote cable assemblies and other government mandated **** went South in the first few years.
DerekV
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It absolutely will, makes a big difference
cashishift
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Toro 22298 - last mower you should need.
Kawasaki motor, on board oil filter.
No BS. very little plastic.
Kawasaki motor, on board oil filter.
No BS. very little plastic.
The Toro I replaced was the second one I had first one had a Kohler and lasted about 8 years with my son using it mostly, I had to replace it 3 years ago with another Recycler 22 since the drive was acting up and son blew off the checking the oil part of mowing...............the second one had Briggs and burnt a valve on week 2, fixed under warranty took 3 weeks it started running bad/making knocking noise last week and I pulled the head and found a slightly burnt valve and a old scar on the edge of the piston bad side of the head that looked a lot like a piece of valve struck it in the past probably the first valve, piston was cracked and cylinder wall scared.
I never did like how hard it was to pull the mower backwards while mowing or push in the garage with it not running, so that put Toro on my not again list.
shanker
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if I was buying a new self propelled mower today, I'd be this one.
Honda got out of the game unfortunately.
Honda got out of the game unfortunately.
I had a Husqvarna AWD push mower with a Honda engine. I hated the AWD system. It was very difficult to maneuver the mower because of it.
I sold it and bought a Dewalt cordless mower. Both batteries failed, the mower was horrible, I returned it under warranty.
I got a Honda self propelled mower thinking that Honda would be great. This was the worst mower I've ever had. It had a throttle lever about midway up the handle. Every time I would mow past a bush, branch, or shrub, the lever would get pushed back and I'd have to try to figure out why the mower just stopped. There were several springs on the side of the engine that would get disconnected if I would push under a shrub. Overall, I don't know if I ever mowed my yard without having to spend at least 20 minutes reattaching something that got knocked off. It also had a mulch/bag lever that would get knocked out of place by shrubs. After one season, I was mowing and one of the springs got knocked off the side of the engine. I couldn't find it. I was so pissed off, I pushed it to my curb and left it there. I drove to home depot and bought a Toro with Briggs engine. I have only used it about 5 times so far, but it's so much more simple than the Honda. My only regret is not pushing that Honda to the curb sooner.
I sold it and bought a Dewalt cordless mower. Both batteries failed, the mower was horrible, I returned it under warranty.
I got a Honda self propelled mower thinking that Honda would be great. This was the worst mower I've ever had. It had a throttle lever about midway up the handle. Every time I would mow past a bush, branch, or shrub, the lever would get pushed back and I'd have to try to figure out why the mower just stopped. There were several springs on the side of the engine that would get disconnected if I would push under a shrub. Overall, I don't know if I ever mowed my yard without having to spend at least 20 minutes reattaching something that got knocked off. It also had a mulch/bag lever that would get knocked out of place by shrubs. After one season, I was mowing and one of the springs got knocked off the side of the engine. I couldn't find it. I was so pissed off, I pushed it to my curb and left it there. I drove to home depot and bought a Toro with Briggs engine. I have only used it about 5 times so far, but it's so much more simple than the Honda. My only regret is not pushing that Honda to the curb sooner.
Kscardsfan
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I run an HRX series Honda and it just goes and goes. If I do my part, I think it might be the last mower I ever own.
redmondjp
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If you like it, you had better go out and buy another one as Honda has exited the walk-behind mower business and won't be selling them any longer in North America (in Europe, yes . . . go figure).