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I can’t think of as single retailer that I can pull up to the parking lot, walk in, and leave with a Wright tool.
ACME Tools.

I've personally purchased Wright tools from an ACME brick and mortar store.

Does everyone in the US have a nearby ACME store? No. But they DO sell Wright Tools, (they did last time I looked, anyway) and they DO have brick and mortar stores in the US.
 
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Between my shop and service truck I probably have close to $10,000 in Milwaukee tools, between 90 and 100% of those are made in the PRC, they are still using an American name and I don't see any post's complaining about that. Do I wish they were American made? Yep. Am I willing to pay for American made power tools when Milwaukee does everything I need it to at what would be a fraction of the price of a MIUSA tool? Nope.

Milwaukee is transparent about where their tools are made. SK is doing cryptic labeling, dishonest marketing, and downright illegal FTC violations.
 

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ACME Tools.

I've personally purchased Wright tools from an ACME brick and mortar store.

Does everyone in the US have a nearby ACME store? No. But they DO sell Wright Tools, (they did last time I looked, anyway) and they DO have brick and mortar stores in the US.

I wonder if they sell explosives, anvils, giant slingshots.....sorry guys, I'm laughing too hard to post any more.........
 

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Great star bought SK, the pessimists accurately predicted it would fail, sadly. Now great star is trying to get some kind of profit out of the deal the same as SBD with Craftsman.

It’s not lazy workers that causing these problems, it’s lazy management that wants a quick buck to throw at their shareholders, as the boomers wealth always has to go up.
 
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I wonder if they sell explosives, anvils, giant slingshots.....sorry guys, I'm laughing too hard to post any more.........

Never knew they had brick and mortar stores... Thank god I don't live in that part of the country otherwise I'd be broke. The ACME folks are top notch.

Legit question... what animal is their mascot supposed to be?
 
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Great star bought SK, the pessimists accurately predicted it would fail, sadly. Now great star is trying to get some kind of profit out of the deal the same as SBD with Craftsman.

I don't think its the same. SK was acquired by a company that doesn't care about making decent tools and is using all sorts of marketing tricks. SB&D while I'm sure boosting profit was on the agenda is still manufacturing things under the Craftsman brand that is more than decent enough for a DIYer.
 

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Milwaukee is transparent about where their tools are made. SK is doing cryptic labeling, dishonest marketing, and downright illegal FTC violations.
What is cryptic about using the letters USA on a ratchet that is made in America? If it's illegal, why are they available for sale? Maybe you should point that out to whatever government agency needs to know.
 
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What is cryptic about using the letters USA on a ratchet that is made in America? If it's illegal, why are they available for sale? Maybe you should point that out to whatever government agency needs to know.

Nothing about that. If SK continued to make tools and didn't publish big images saying, "Brand of USA" and try to inject USA or America into product titles deliberately to trick consumers I wouldn't have an issue. Mind you the Amazon picture I posted the problem is the fact they've gone to the bottom of the barrel now putting, "SK Tools USA, LLC" in the title as a tactic to get people to stumble upon their item searching for USA as a search term.

And yes... they violated the FTC rule on Made in America labeling & packaging on two screwdriver sets I bought and I did report them to the FTC. I found another company a year or two ago which is beloved by a lot of people doing the same thing with a certain line of tools and they shut the whole operation down. It's disgusting.
 

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You had me, ya lost me.
Where did I lose you? You highlighted my point that Americans don't want to work, so I will assume that's it. It's true, Americans are fat, lazy, and think they are entitled to get whatever they think they deserve. Not everyone, but the majority of what I consider kids. Of the under 30 group, I would bet that less than 20% would be willing to work a job that they might get dirty at. If they did get dirty, they would expect a wage that put's them on pace to be paid better than the sports "hero's".
 

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i was looking at some milaukee pliers today, made in usa, stamp on the tools, they was linemans, the needlenose milaukee sitting right beside them in the same style and color, made in vietnam
 

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Nothing about that. If SK continued to make tools and didn't publish big images saying, "Brand of USA" and try to inject USA or America into product titles deliberately to trick consumers I wouldn't have an issue. Mind you the Amazon picture I posted the problem is the fact they've gone to the bottom of the barrel now putting, "SK Tools USA, LLC" in the title as a tactic to get people to stumble upon their item searching for USA as a search term.

But they are known as a USA brand, and still do have some production in America. If someone is stupid enough to confuse "brand of USA" with "made in the USA", they deserve to spend every single nickel they ever made on Chinese tools only to have it pointed out to them that they were fleeced after bragging about their new American made purchase.

And post #1, from you, shows an American made ratchet so I can only assume you were complaining about the use of the name SK tools USA, which might be what the American made stuff is called.
And yes... they violated the FTC rule on Made in America labeling & packaging on two screwdriver sets I bought and I did report them to the FTC. I found another company a year or two ago which is beloved by a lot of people doing the same thing with a certain line of tools and they shut the whole operation down. It's disgusting.
 

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This is from the official SK store on Amazon.

It's not even about COO anymore... besides the fact that the ratchet in the photo says USA they're now putting the full legal brand name in the title?!? Looks like a loophole to be able to trick people into thinking it is made in the USA.

C'mon!

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This is actually Amazon's bad. Not SK's. Old image probably tethered to the SKU (no pun intended). I dunno. If SK was out to pull the wool over your head, their website would be screwy. But it's not:

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Lot of arguments with merit to get your ******* in a knot. This ain't one of them.

-Ryan
 

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Where did I lose you? You highlighted my point that Americans don't want to work, so I will assume that's it. It's true, Americans are fat, lazy, and think they are entitled to get whatever they think they deserve. Not everyone, but the majority of what I consider kids. Of the under 30 group, I would bet that less than 20% would be willing to work a job that they might get dirty at. If they did get dirty, they would expect a wage that put's them on pace to be paid better than the sports "hero's".
You statics are absolute BS. Most young people are willing to work as hard as anyone older than them. They’re just tired of finding out lazy boomers (business owners/shareholders) siphoning off the wealth for themselves or stabbing the employees in the back for a quick buck, look at all the PPP fraud.

Also I’d take a look at what the previous generations said about yours, same things you are. Were they inaccurate but somehow you’re not?
 

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You statics are absolute BS. Most young people are willing to work as hard as anyone adore them. They’re just tired of finding lazy boomers siphoning off the wealth for themselves.

Also I’d take a look at what the previous generations said about yours, same things you are. Were they inaccurate but somehow you’re not?
I don't have any statistics, nor did I post any. Look again, it clearly says "I would bet that less than 20%". That's coming from me and my job as a service tech going into peoples homes and seeing perfectly capable 20-30 somethings still living at mom and dads and not having a job at all.
 
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This is actually Amazon's bad. Not SK's. Old image probably tethered to the SKU (no pun intended). I dunno. If SK was out to pull the wool over your head, their website would be screwy. But it's not:

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Lot of arguments with merit to get your ******* in a knot. This ain't one of them.

-Ryan

Maybe. I do know that manufactuers have a lot of control over the item information when they enter into a buying/logistics agreement with Amazon.

It's sketchy all around. The "Brand of USA" images were not made by Amazon - they're provided by SK.
 

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Where did I lose you? You highlighted my point that Americans don't want to work, so I will assume that's it. It's true, Americans are fat, lazy, and think they are entitled to get whatever they think they deserve. Not everyone, but the majority of what I consider kids. Of the under 30 group, I would bet that less than 20% would be willing to work a job that they might get dirty at. If they did get dirty, they would expect a wage that put's them on pace to be paid better than the sports "hero's".
So, you want them to work in dirty, low pay, nowhere factory jobs, just for the sake of producing USA made S-K hand tools?

What would be the point of that? :headscrat
 

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Nothing about that. If SK continued to make tools and didn't publish big images saying, "Brand of USA" and try to inject USA or America into product titles deliberately to trick consumers I wouldn't have an issue. Mind you the Amazon picture I posted the problem is the fact they've gone to the bottom of the barrel now putting, "SK Tools USA, LLC" in the title as a tactic to get people to stumble upon their item searching for USA as a search term.

And yes... they violated the FTC rule on Made in America labeling & packaging on two screwdriver sets I bought and I did report them to the FTC. I found another company a year or two ago which is beloved by a lot of people doing the same thing with a certain line of tools and they shut the whole operation down. It's disgusting.
Many companies use the “designed in USA” or something similar on the packaging. Milwaukee Tools are foreign owned by a Hong Kong Chinese company but still claim to be HQ’d in the USA.
Where did I lose you? You highlighted my point that Americans don't want to work, so I will assume that's it. It's true, Americans are fat, lazy, and think they are entitled to get whatever they think they deserve. Not everyone, but the majority of what I consider kids. Of the under 30 group, I would bet that less than 20% would be willing to work a job that they might get dirty at. If they did get dirty, they would expect a wage that put's them on pace to be paid better than the sports "hero's".
News flash- no one really wants to work. We do because we need things to live. How do you know these young people that you see living with their parents don’t have jobs? Is getting dirty at work a sign of manliness or success?
 
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So, you want them to work in dirty, low pay, nowhere factory jobs, just for the sake of producing USA made S-K hand tools?

What would be the point of that? :headscrat
Nowhere did I state anything that even comes close to resembling that. What I did say was the majority of Americans aren't willing to get dirty regardless of pay. Construction companies are dying to get help and are willing to pay a damned good wage, but can't get help. I also stated that American manufacturing companies can't pay a low enough wage to be competitive. Also, if they do pay the higher wage, they will have to use **** material and turn out a junk product in the name of trying to turn a profit. Just go back through the archives of GJ and look at the post's where people ate bitching about the price of SK tools when Ideal owned them. They were AFAIK 100% USA made and couldn't cut it for several reasons, the largest of which is more than likely lack of sales which leads to no money.
 

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News flash- no one really wants to work. We do because we need things to live. How do you know these young people that you see living with their parents don’t have jobs? Is getting dirty at work a sign of manliness or success?
I want to work and so does everyone I know.

I know these young people don't work because their parents tell me. It makes it pretty easy to schedule an appointment when all I have to know is when I show up, knock loud to make sure I wake the unemployed kid up. I've been in more than one house during arguments between patent and adult child about growing up, getting a job, and moving out.

As far as getting dirty, I'm referring to jobs that pay excellent wages but can't get any help. Construction companies are dying for workers but can't get anyone to show up. I have two friends that each own automotive shops, they can't get help either
 

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I want to work and so does everyone I know.

I know these young people don't work because their parents tell me. It makes it pretty easy to schedule an appointment when all I have to know is when I show up, knock loud to make sure I wake the unemployed kid up. I've been in more than one house during arguments between patent and adult child about growing up, getting a job, and moving out.

As far as getting dirty, I'm referring to jobs that pay excellent wages but can't get any help. Construction companies are dying for workers but can't get anyone to show up. I have two friends that each own automotive shops, they can't get help either
If your needs were met without doing your current job or could be met with working 12 hours a week, would you still work at the same place doing the same thing?

How much do these construction jobs pay? What part of country?
 

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If your needs were met without doing your current job or could be met with working 12 hours a week, would you still work at the same place doing the same thing?

How much do these construction jobs pay? What part of country?
If I only worked 12 hours a week I would go stir crazy or broke from having too many things trying to keep me occupied. I don't even like three day weekends and it's not about the money, it's about being busy AND productive. And, yes, I would still work at the same place since it's my company and I would do the same thing.

We're talking Midwest, Southern Iowa to be specific where the cost of living is pretty cheap. Framers can't get anyone to bite at $20 per hour, no experience necessary. The same with plumbers. There's another electrical contractor that subs me out when he needs help because he can't find anyone. He gave up after offering $25 per hour, no experience necessary, all tools supplied, and was even offering to pay for schooling. He's just gonna shut the operation down in a couple of years. I don't know what the garages are willing to pay, but it doesn't matter when there are no applications getting put in.
 
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I don't even like three day weekends and it's not about the money, it's about being busy AND productive.

Agreed 😎

Three day weekends drive me crazy. I like to solve problems and my job is just solving problems.

Hate saying it... But my job feels like a hobby. I like it.
 

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If I only worked 12 hours a week I would go stir crazy or broke from having too many things trying to keep me occupied. I don't even like three day weekends and it's not about the money, it's about being busy AND productive. And, yes, I would still work at the same place since it's my company and I would do the same thing.

We're talking Midwest, Southern Iowa to be specific where the cost of living is pretty cheap. Framers can't get anyone to bite at $20 per hour, no experience necessary. The same with plumbers. There's another electrical contractor that subs me out when he needs help because he can't find anyone. He gave up after offering $25 per hour, no experience necessary, all tools supplied, and was even offering to pay for schooling. He's just gonna shut the operation down in a couple of years. I don't know what the garages are willing to pay, but it doesn't matter when there are no applications getting put in.
I’m not talking about doing things to keep busy, I’m talking about “working”
I have plenty of the things to do and things I want to do that would be so much better than “working” for my employer. But they won’t pay the bills so off to work I go.
$20/hr with no benefits?
 

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If your needs were met without doing your current job or could be met with working 12 hours a week, would you still work at the same place doing the same thing?

How much do these construction jobs pay? What part of country?
Most union trade jobs are easy 6 figure jobs if you want them to be. It’s up to you.
 

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If your needs were met without doing your current job or could be met with working 12 hours a week, would you still work at the same place doing the same thing?

How much do these construction jobs pay? What part of country?

I won't go into exact dollars because it's meaningless to any other part of the country but I will say that when our 3rd kid was born in 1994, my late wife didn't go back to work. We could live reasonably well on what I made as an electrician.

It gets even better though, in har newly discovered spare time, she became one of the swim team coaches and had a girl scout troop.
 

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…..and, if you chose, you could buy or build a bakery there and sell your cookies that were made in usa.
pretty sure you knew that’s what he was getting at, tho
Surely a point that stupid wasn't being made. Aside from the fact it's a tiny city, "Made in Usa" wouldn't pass Federal guidelines.
 

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I’m not talking about doing things to keep busy, I’m talking about “working”
To answer your question...again, yes, I would continue working all week even if all of my needs were met with a 12 hour work week.
I have plenty of the things to do and things I want to do that would be so much better than “working” for my employer. But they won’t pay the bills so off to work I go.
My employer is me and I like what I do so there's that
$20/hr with no benefits?
I don't know what benefits were involved, but if a 20 year old would rather sit on his *** playing video games all day in his mommies basement....
 

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$20/hr would take almost 40 hours of OT every week to hit 6 figures. In many areas of the country 6 figures is just getting by.
The $20 per hour in my post was no experience necessary, beginning wage, as in you can come right out of high school and make this. Who knows what it would top out at. That would be why I specified the location. My 1800 Square foot house on 10 acres of land is "only" worth $300,000. I've had family visit from both coast that tell me how many millions they think it would be worth where they are from. Location is everything, the median income here is just a little over $32,000.
 

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Where did I lose you? You highlighted my point that Americans don't want to work, so I will assume that's it. It's true, Americans are fat, lazy, and think they are entitled to get whatever they think they deserve. Not everyone, but the majority of what I consider kids. Of the under 30 group, I would bet that less than 20% would be willing to work a job that they might get dirty at. If they did get dirty, they would expect a wage that put's them on pace to be paid better than the sports "hero's".
Plenty of kids would probably be willing to work in manufacturing, if the jobs didn’t pay complete and utter sh!t.
Plenty of manufacturing jobs don’t pay much more than a job making and selling fast food.
I’m nit sure what the major hazards of working in a fast good restaurant are, but getting burn by frying oil, or s jot grill, are probably the major hazards, other than getting attacked by an irate customer.
Meanwhile, manufacturing jobs can routinely involve cutting injuries where you can loose gingers, or maybe an arm, or get crushed, or yanked into large machinery, or get weird cancers from various chemicals, or dusts, etc., etc.
You also probably have to buy your own clothes for the manufacturing jobs (which can wear out quickly) whereas the uniforms at fast good jobs are supplied by the employer (or are at least supposed to be).
Plenty of manufacturers don’t hive a **** about safety, and will routinely short even cheap basic things like box cutter blades. (Yes, sharp blades are legally required, or a way to sharpen the blades).
Even then, I suspect a certain portion of younger people would take those jobs, rather than a fast food job, but most are smart enough not to.
 

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I don't have any statistics, nor did I post any. Look again, it clearly says "I would bet that less than 20%". That's coming from me and my job as a service tech going into peoples homes and seeing perfectly capable 20-30 somethings still living at mom and dads and not having a job at all.
Slmost Every time I see an article about Amazon burning thru workers quicker than they can replace those workers, I would look up Amazon jobs available.
I think there might occasionally be a dozen or less jobs listed at any one time.
This is about one job per Amazon distribution center in and near my city.
Supposedly working at Amazon is just as unpleasant as working in “manufacturing”, whatever that actually means.
I fairly certain, a bunch of those people would work in manufacturing, if there was manufacturing, and they though there might be a slightly better job “working there way up”.
 

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This thread makes me think about moving to the midWest, to join like-minded people versus the **** show of the Washington DC area that has always enjoyed false economic conditions as far as housing is concerned. Constant turnover due to DOD 3-5 year contracts, plus the do nothings that go to the Capitol, and all of their leaches(staff). Hell I'd be more than happy in my truck and trailer if this place was reduced to cinder.
 

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Plenty of kids would probably be willing to work in manufacturing, if the jobs didn’t pay complete and utter sh!t.
Plenty of manufacturing jobs don’t pay much more than a job making and selling fast food.
I’m nit sure what the major hazards of working in a fast good restaurant are, but getting burn by frying oil, or s jot grill, are probably the major hazards, other than getting attacked by an irate customer.
Meanwhile, manufacturing jobs can routinely involve cutting injuries where you can loose gingers, or maybe an arm, or get crushed, or yanked into large machinery, or get weird cancers from various chemicals, or dusts, etc., etc.
You also probably have to buy your own clothes for the manufacturing jobs (which can wear out quickly) whereas the uniforms at fast good jobs are supplied by the employer (or are at least supposed to be).
Plenty of manufacturers don’t hive a **** about safety, and will routinely short even cheap basic things like box cutter blades. (Yes, sharp blades are legally required, or a way to sharpen the blades).
Even then, I suspect a certain portion of younger people would take those jobs, rather than a fast food job, but most are smart enough not to.
Below is a segment from my first post, which you may or may not have read.
American manufacturing is becoming close to a thing of the past because the companies can't pay a low enough wage to be competitive. The tools would have to sell at such a ridiculous high price that nobody would pay for them or they would have to use cheap enough materials to offset the labor price that they would be junk and nobody would buy them.
When SK was either 100% or close to it American made, the prices were so high that nobody would buy it. Yes, it was hard to find but there were plenty of places that sold SK tools online which is what the majority of people want. Go back through the archives of Garage Journal and see how many posts there are with people bitching about SK being too expensive. I'm not interested in finding out, but I wonder if some of those people are the same as the people bitching about production moving to China.
 
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