finn
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I lived in Germany for three plus years. Most of our factory workers, including both the foundry workers and assembly line workers, were Turkish citizens, who lived in apartments in their own Turkish part of town. At the time, most, or at least many, didn’t own a car, but relied on public transportation to get to work. There were a smattering of Italians in the mix of these lower paid manual labor jobs. The office workers, Engineers, Purchasing, and Finance people were German, but only the professional level people , ie group leaders and department heads had single family houses.Whenever these questions come up you need to ask yourself: "HOW THE HELL DO THE GERMANS DO IT." Their standard of living is every bit as high as ours and yet their tool industry thrives. Stahlwille is paying their employees a hell of a lot more than US $20/hour and let's not even get into fringe benefits which are like 5X those given in America.
Same goes for our suppliers, like Bosch, Mahle, Kolben Schmidt, etc.. Mostly Turks working in the tough, low paid positions. It’s not like your pre conceived notion of elves working in the Black Forest.
Since the time I returned to the US, a lot of those factory jobs have moved to the former East Germany, Poland, Romania, etc, where labor was cheaper.
I seem to recall reading that Japan wasn’t a lot different, with many of the “lower skilled” positions being filled by foreign workers from Thailand, Malaysia, and the Philippines.
As for Stahlwille, they are based in Wuppertal, and have three factories in Germany, but also have a subsidiary in China (as do many other German companies). Interestingly, they don’t list where in Germany their factories are located, but after reunification, there was a huge push to develop the former East. Wages were dirt cheap there, so many companies closed or “froze” Western factories and expanded to the East with government subsidies.