New mac wrenches

Fedwrench · Oct 11, 2010

Since Stanley, the parent company of Mac tools acquired Facom awhile back, we've seen a few Facom tools come this way under the Mac banner.
In this month's new Mac Flier they have what appear to Facom 440 series wrenches on the cover being marketed as MAC Precision Torque series wrenches. I know people in the past have talked of wanting this style of wrench, now's your chance.
Mac is also featuring a couple of new torque angle measuring digital torque wrenches that look to be Facom clones.
I'm stupid and couldn't link the specific pages but, the flyer is here:

http://catalogs.shoplocal.com/macto...pagenumber=1&circularid=16706&batchid=1216814

tonydanzah · Oct 11, 2010

look pretty similar

http://www.ultimategarage.com/shop/part.php?products_id=3870

mrholeshot · Oct 11, 2010

Love the wrench holder. Facom was scooped up by Stanley?

Theloniousmonk · Oct 11, 2010

yea... back in like 05/06? - pissed me off (I thought the SK/Facom world was a better place than today)... too bad the 440's are not made in France (old series were) - not that the quality is any less than before though.

It seems that Stanley has been "selling" off some of Facom's wrench designs too - like the "ratchet" open end combo (cman has a version now).

mrholeshot · Oct 11, 2010

what is the COO now? Still thought Facom was French

lbgradwell · Oct 11, 2010

Czech Republic.

Theloniousmonk · Oct 11, 2010

Pretty much anywhere BUT France, these days.

Fedwrench · Oct 11, 2010

Theloniousmonk said:
Pretty much anywhere BUT France, these days.

See we're not the only ones getting their tools outsourced. Many German manufacturers have also gone the asian route. Look at Wiha for example with their pliers made in the SROV (Vietnam).
Pretty soon Monte will have to start a new thread titled "tools that have European Names but, are not made in Europe" :lol:

Fedwrench · Oct 11, 2010

tonydanzah said:
look pretty similar

http://www.ultimategarage.com/shop/part.php?products_id=3870

except there's no 14 or 15mm and a few other sizes in the ultimate garage set. However, this Toptul clone of the 440 set seems reasonable from Ultimate Garage if you want that style of wrench.
http://www.ultimategarage.com/shop/part.php?products_id=3078

tonydanzah · Oct 11, 2010

Fedwrench said:
except there's no 14 or 15mm and a few other sizes in the ultimate garage set. However, this Toptul clone of the 440 set seems reasonable from Ultimate Garage if you want that style of wrench.
http://www.ultimategarage.com/shop/part.php?products_id=3078

I eyed up that set, but when I emailed ultimate about the length and he sent me a chart. Shorter than craftsman i think. 19mm is 223mm which is 8.7"

Monte · Oct 11, 2010

I thought they´re made by Toptul in Taiwan ?? At least that´s what GJ told me

Monte · Oct 11, 2010

Fedwrench said:
Pretty soon Monte will have to start a new thread titled "tools that have European Names but, are not made in Europe"

hahaha...

ok

Theloniousmonk · Oct 11, 2010

Fedwrench said:
See we're not the only ones getting their tools outsourced. Many German manufacturers have also gone the asian route. Look at Wiha for example with their pliers made in the SROV (Vietnam).
Pretty soon Monte will have to start a new thread titled "tools that have European Names but, are not made in Europe"

considering this as a new sig. :lol_hitti

Monte · Oct 11, 2010

btw: Wiha pliers:

Grainger has some Wiha pliers with origin Germany + Switzerland:

http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/pliers/ecatalog/N-96v/Ntt-wiha

Monte · Oct 11, 2010

Fedwrench said:
Pretty soon Monte will have to start a new thread titled "tools that have European Names but, are not made in Europe"

here !!!!!! german name but not made here...!
It don´t get any more german than that !!!!

Hans Tool

Theloniousmonk · Oct 11, 2010

Monte said:
here !!!!!! german name but not made here...!
It don´t get any more german than that !!!!

Hans Tool

Look like Stahl ratchets and Esgen torx sockets.

I wonder how Hans compares to Toptul?

mrholeshot · Oct 11, 2010

They build BMWs here in South Carolina. We now have the redneck version of the X5. Comes with a CB radio, Gun Rack and 33's, lol

Monte · Oct 11, 2010

Theloniousmonk said:
Look like Stahl ratchets and Esgen torx sockets.

I wonder how Hans compares to Toptul?

Many of their ratchets/sockets look like Ko-Ken copies....

Fedwrench · Oct 11, 2010

tonydanzah said:
I eyed up that set, but when I emailed ultimate about the length and he sent me a chart. Shorter than craftsman i think. 19mm is 223mm which is 8.7"

I agree, they're nice but, they're far from being a long series wrench. I'm sure if you ran specs on the new Mac wrenches, they would have the same demensions. That's one of the reasons I skipped over them when people raved about them last year. :wtf:

MattT · Oct 11, 2010

Theloniousmonk said:
It seems that Stanley has been "selling" off some of Facom's wrench designs too - like the "ratchet" open end combo (cman has a version now).

IIRC the Facom ratcheting open end doesn't have any moving parts. The danaher craftsman/gearwrench ones have a plunger thingy.

crewchief888 · Oct 11, 2010

mrholeshot said:
They build BMWs here in South Carolina. We now have the redneck version of the X5. Comes with a CB radio, Gun Rack and 33's, lol

GIT_R_DONE !!! :lol_hitti

Theloniousmonk · Oct 11, 2010

MattT said:
IIRC the Facom ratcheting open end doesn't have any moving parts. The danaher craftsman/gearwrench ones have a plunger thingy.

Good point, i'll have to figure out where I saw the facom knockoffs...

mrholeshot · Oct 11, 2010

crewchief888 said:
GIT_R_DONE !!!

Kommen Sie es fertig an :lol_hitti

Moose-LandTran · Oct 11, 2010

Monte said:
here !!!!!! german name but not made here...!
It don´t get any more german than that !!!!

Hans Tool

No no no, it's a typo. Look at your keyboard - the letters D and S are next to each other! :lol:

wreckercologist · Oct 11, 2010

I looked at these last Friday on the truck. They looked nice. I'm still thinking they're a little high on price, but whatever.......they're probably a better wrench than the US produced Macs..... :lol_hitti

wisconsin_cowman · Oct 11, 2010

Mac guy was showing them off today.

Rnz520 · Oct 11, 2010

I am waiting to see these, I think they are very reasonably priced if they are of good quality.

kythri · Oct 11, 2010

Theloniousmonk said:
It seems that Stanley has been "selling" off some of Facom's wrench designs too - like the "ratchet" open end combo (cman has a version now).

You mean these:

http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_...21x00003a&ci_src=14110944&ci_sku=00921936000P

??

Craftsman has had a version of these for more than a decade...

kythri · Oct 11, 2010

MattT said:
IIRC the Facom ratcheting open end doesn't have any moving parts. The danaher craftsman/gearwrench ones have a plunger thingy.

The plunger is a new bit. I've got some old ones with no plunger.

Fedwrench · Oct 11, 2010

kythri said:
The plunger is a new bit. I've got some old ones with no plunger.

The plunger is a Gearwrench design. From free Key rings to dual ratcheting open ends, to the dual ratcheting combination wrench. The design first appeared last November at SEMA and in the Craftsman Club Newsletter at the same time. :beer:

MattT · Oct 11, 2010

kythri said:
The plunger is a new bit. I've got some old ones with no plunger.

Do the older ones closely resemble the SO or Facom ones?

vssjim · Oct 11, 2010

mrholeshot said:
Love the wrench holder. Facom was scooped up by Stanley?

Yes Stanley bought Facom and got USAG with them but sold off Brittool.
They sold Brittool to a investment group but everything is made in ASIA now, no more British in Brittool

mspecperformance · Oct 11, 2010

the toptul supertorque wrenches look very very similar, does anyone have any close up pics and profile pics of the toptul wrenches???

mspecperformance · Oct 14, 2010

bump for anyone with a pic of toptul's version or a link maybe?

Jack_B · Oct 18, 2010

heres a pic of the toptul supertorque wrench

Theloniousmonk · Oct 18, 2010

facom:

armstrong:

- not exactly the same, but I think this is what I saw... from my understanding, regardless - stanley sold a few facom designs to pay off some debt facom held.

I wonder how long it will take for the twist handle facom ratchet (also available in a stanley version) to make it's way to the tool truck.

Flash21 · Oct 23, 2010

Theloniousmonk said:
... too bad the 440's are not made in France (old series were) - not that the quality is any less than before though.

Anyone know how you can tell whether a Facom 440 was France manufactured or Czech manufactured?

Just curious...

mspecperformance · Oct 26, 2010

hmm... anyone have any opinions or reviews on how these stack up to Facom 440 or TopTul SuperTorque???

Monte · Oct 26, 2010

anyone bought them ?

JayL · Oct 26, 2010

Monte said:
here !!!!!! german name but not made here...!
It don´t get any more german than that !!!!

Hans Tool

Lots of these Hans Tools available here with us. These are the Taiwan stuff like Toptul. However we prefer Japanese Aigo over these since price ranges are more or less the same if not just a bit more for Aigo.

This is the only Hans tool I have and purchased because it was needed and was readily available at that time ( 10mm / $9 ). Metal not as durable as Koken.

Koken stuff not in the same league in terms of prices and quality.

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