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I wish locking mailboxes didn't need to be "a thing." Our current rental has mail delivered into a box in the garage through a slot in the wall. Very handy, except the garage is too small for cars, people, and storage to coexist - so I need to open the garage door to check the mail. Poor me. Not like I even need to step past the driveway.
At our previous place, I twice found my neighbor's mail strewn about down the road, and there were constant notices of mail theft. So we got a locking box. Functional, but ugly.

The mailbox at our new place - under renovation - was kinda sad, and threatening to fall over. It's known to be a very safe neighborhood (as was our previous one) but alerts of petty crime have been on the upswing since we bought it. As we generally make it over there once every couple weeks, we don't want important documents sitting unsecured for days on end. We had not begun mail delivery. But, we've missed a bunch of important delivereies: Title documents, water notifications, property tax bills, Amazon packages which somehow come via USPS instead of smiley truck.
Long story still long: We need to get mail there, but aren't comfortable doing so in an insecure mailbox.

Yes, I could have placed a 40lb locking mailbox on the old post, but it probably would hold up another month or 2. I don't want to do twice what I could do right once.

We also want something to update the place, look nice, maybe coordinate with the new garage doors:

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The wife REALLY likes this one. As do I, actually:

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I figure I can do something close, in cedar.
Here's how it started:

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So I dug it out, distributed a layer of granite gravel, poured some concrete, and reinforced with rebar:

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Instrucables guidelines told me to orient the brackets in the same direction. I think that was a mistake. But, they're in now. Went for a broom finish. I thought it looked really nice. Then the rain resumed - which I thought would be great, I don't need to water for a day or two. But it really messed with the finish. This is after the brackets were placed, but before the rain.

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This was my weekend of cross-threading things. I don't know why. I started the nut with fingers, then tightened the lower post bolt with an impact driver. When it came time to disassemble so I could put the washer in and align everything, it won't come apart! I was able to loosen it just enough that it isn't holding torque anymore, but it won't tighten! Weirdest thing. Next trip, I'll probably cut off and install a new bolt down there just for brick-outhouse sturdiness, but in the meantime I had to drill a new 3/8" hole through 4 layers of 2 different kinds of steel lying on my side on wood planks placed over the mud in a light drizzle. This was not my favorite part.

However, in the end, it was largely successful:

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It's possible that 6 hours was not enough cure time for me to begin wailing on the bracket. I used Sakrete 5000 Early Strength because a) it was raining off and on throughout the project and b) I new I wouldn't have 72 hours to wait before I had to start building. I was NOT expecting to have as much trouble with it as I did.
Regardless, I have no intention of drilling more holes in steel or breaking up 3 cuft of the best concrete I've ever poured. (Concrete just isn't my bag, baby. I wanted to pay a guy, but the wife says "We can do it." We CAN do it. It's just not really my bliss. Then she took off back to the other house...) So, I'll reinforce the 4x4's with some anchored-in brackets to give it a little more side-to-side support. Which means I've gotta drill some holes in concrete. Always fun, but that's 2 weeks out, so it should be cured enough by then to handle it.

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In the meantime, it's fully functional, and should stand up to normal mailbox stresses. It's at the end of an 8ft county easement on a really quiet street, so risk of getting slammed into by a teen driver is, at least, minimal.

Updates to follow in a couple weeks, when we make it back up there. She promises to help seal/finish the lumber, and align the slats. It's so much more pleasant with help from my lovely assistant.
 
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Your wife and my wife would probably get along.
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Love those garage doors too. We did vertical door lites before they were a normal option. It wasn't cheap at the time.

I like your setup on the posts. I always try to plan around a wobble test. If it wobbles it's going to fail quicker. The double post will really help.
I'm in a cold climate and we have to bury things pretty deep if we're doing them right. I also deal with snowplows. It's a bad combo. The post base is deep and frozen in place when most mailboxes take a hit. I think all of them along our road have been replaced in the last ten years or so. It is pretty common to see bricks holding them up until the ground thaws.
I did a break away post with a solid base. Finding the base was my big challenge. I was close to having something fabbed in stainless to hold up with our salt.
The base I finally found was from Vevor.
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It is a fairly solid setup in a few color options.
The extra second plate and SS bolts are my anchor template for installation. They are not part of the deal.

Anyhow, to the point. If you are not happy with the anchors being solid in your nice concrete pad, I think you still have an option. The base I used is wide enough to be solid and you could even do two with your configuration. The base was priced pretty decent and even came with a set of anchors in the package.
 
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Thanks!

I love that base and anchors, but was hoping not to need to go that far. Plus, my skill at setting each of those precisely vertical in wet concrete is most likely lacking. And my back gave out digging down 6 inches. Better than the 2x4s in the instructable, but not as much as a lot folks on here seem to do. I'm in California, Zone 9b. We may hit freezing a couple times a year, but never more than 2 or 3 days at a time. And no plows.

For now, with the rear post affixed, there's no wobble whatsoever. It's also brand new.

I found these handy brackets:


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Easier for me to install accurately than something like this: https://www.vevor.com/deck-post-bas...MIm43FkrqihQMV02VHAR3zoASfEAQYBiABEgKTyPD_BwE

And very reasonably priced. I'll use them to secure the leading 4x4, as well as a new 4x4 behind and secured to the current rear one. It's already in the garage, and cut to size. That should give me at least a 30 year mailbox support, I figure. I'm waiting on delivery to pick up the concrete bit and anchors, since I'm not sure exactly what size those anchor holes are yet. I'm thinking to use wood screws to affix to posts, instead of the (probably preferred) 4.5" stainless hex-head bolts. Through-holes in 4x4 are always a ball. The drill press hasn't moved to the new house yet. It's disassembled in the rental garage, for now. And I'm not sure about wrench clearance to tighten the nuts which would be backed up against an adjacent post. As always, producibility influences design, but I don't know how tough it's going to be until I start putting all the pieces together. Perhaps a combination. And, perhaps, an angle grinder to trim the brackets around the stuff that's already in the ground.

More fun!
 
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Nice looking house and garage doors! We're near the SF bay area in a rural place. We've had mail ripped off a number of times. A couple of those were with that type of locking box. The thieves pry them open. You can reinforce the locking tab and the lip of the box that it latches against but they'll just bring a longer crow bar. The best defense is to not have the important mail in the box when they break into it.

If you're only there every couple weeks to get the mail I suggest getting your mail held or forwarded to a box you check more often.
 
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Nice looking house and garage doors! We're near the SF bay area in a rural place. We've had mail ripped off a number of times. A couple of those were with that type of locking box. The thieves pry them open. You can reinforce the locking tab and the lip of the box that it latches against but they'll just bring a longer crow bar. The best defense is to not have the important mail in the box when they break into it.

If you're only there every couple weeks to get the mail I suggest getting your mail held or forwarded to a box you check more often.
Thank you!

That's good advice. But I'm not going to take it just yet.

Scarcely any of our neigbors at the new place have locking boxes. We're more suburban than rural - just tucked out of the way in a quiet neighborhood. Families are always out, walking around, chatting with each other. None of our real mail is even directed there yet. We've been "unoccupied" for over a year. I tried Forwarding the mail from there to where we've lived the last couple years, but USPS couldn't understand the concept. "We can't Forward from somewhere you haven't lived yet!?!" I guess to limit mail fraud? The USPS returned important stuff to sender, but sender never contacted us. I'm talking 2 amazon deliveries, and our title company who KNEW we weren't moving in yet. I'm gonna give this a chance. If it gets busted, well, I tried - and we'll talk to the PO about better options. At least if we occupy for a bit, they'll know we exist, and can then perhaps forward.
 

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@endangeredspecies , I have not seen the brackets you included in the picture link. They look like a good option if you are going with reinforcement. The base is wide enough to spread post footings and they don't look like sheet metal.

The options for post bases sure do vary a lot. I have had a hard time finding solid durable options. There are plenty of short term flimsy options.
I looked at some of the stuff we have in hog barns which is stainless and heavy duty. Unfortunately it is purpose built mainly for gates and slat panel systems. Custom built stuff is nuts.
 

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I tried Forwarding the mail from there to where we've lived the last couple years, but USPS couldn't understand the concept. "We can't Forward from somewhere you haven't lived yet!?!"

Hmm. That's a bummer. If things work out we'll be needing to do exactly that pretty soon. Maybe we can put our existing address on the new place's title.

I think the reinforcements I did kept them out at least once, so it's worth a try. Often the stock locking tab is thin and soft and barely engages the edge of the box.

I guess to limit mail fraud? The USPS returned important stuff to sender, but sender never contacted us. I'm talking 2 amazon deliveries, and our title company who KNEW we weren't moving in yet. I'm gonna give this a chance. If it gets busted, well, I tried - and we'll talk to the PO about better options. At least if we occupy for a bit, they'll know we exist, and can then perhaps forward.

If you find a better option with the PO please let us know. It looks like you're close to complete so maybe the solution is to move in!


Also we have noticed that mail theft spikes two times: when you move in and before Christmas. In our case it's a small rural neighborhood with a row of boxes well off the road. For Christmas they hit all the boxes for our neighborhood and up and down the road. When we moved in (and didn't know we needed a locking box) we had a set of checks stolen. The thief or someone they sold the checks to got busted for check kiting a few months later.
 

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Love the sample mailbox you had posted that you and your wife liked. That would look sharp with your garage door, which is also beautiful.

If you have a welder, use 4x4 square tubing, with 1/4 plate at the top and bottom. It would look good and would be sturdy as heck.

Good luck with the new place.
 
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Oof. Tried welding in college. (Metalfab lab for BSME.) Was not a success...
For now, the plan in to use one pair of the new brackets on the forward 4x4, and place another 4x4 behind the existing rear one. Use the other bracket pair to anchor it to the concrete, and also screw and bolt it to the existing rear 4x4. 3 redwood and 1 steel 4x4 post, 2 set laterally, and 2 anchored longitudinally, I think should hold up for a while.

I appreciate the compliments, guys. My wife and I have the opportunity to turn this place into our dream home, so, we're working on that.

Have a child in High School 150mi away, graduating this summer, and heading off to college in the fall. So not quite ready to move in yet. But not too far off. But I'm sure ready to be there!!!
 

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I'm not going to show my wife the pics of those garage doors because she's going to want three of them.

My experience here is if it can't be pried open they will leave it and find an easier box. I don't think they're going to take time to unscrew bolts.
 
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Mail Boss is pretty beefy. Definitely not stamped sheet steel. Feels like 10 or 12ga. MUCH harder to drill than the galvanized post anchors - which are not thin themselves (I think 14ga.) I am well aware that nothing is unbreachable, but they'd need to come with tools and a plan.
 
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I fixed the cross-threaded M6x1 mounting screw, removed and replaced the cross-threaded 3/8" hardware, installed the 4th post, and anchored the lateral supports into the concrete.
Amazing what having access to the right tools can do.
"Thick Metal" carbide sawzall blade went through 3/8" stainless in seconds. And installing masonry bit into a roto-hammer instead of drill with hammer function was quiet, easy, and took seconds instead of minutes.

Solid. Now, when I push on it, the only thing that moves is the entire concrete pad!

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Due to rain, and sealer taking a lot longer to dry than I had accounted for, I didn't get to frame up the mailbox yet.
But the components are ready to go.
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I took advantage of the rain, and packed in the soil around the pad. Should be good to go.
SInce I wasn't ready to assemble, and it's supposed to be dry for the upcoming week, I sealed up the redwood posts, too:


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I'd like to add that, when she wasn't showing neighbors the plastic-covered and incomplete but still amazing prgress which has been made INSIDE the house, my Loveley Assistant, Blushing Bride, and Wonderful Wife of darn near 24 years did help with the mailbox project this weekend. We made much quicker progress, which much straighter lines, than if I was stuck out there doing it myself. And I am grateful.
Maybe next time I'll get some shots of it in decent lighting with a logical perspective. Maybe. I'm really not much of a photographer.
 

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Made a bit of progress this weekend. Slats, numbers, and solar lights are up!
All the neighbors want one now...

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I realize that you're not quite done, but it looks very sharp and yet still functional. The only issue I can see is that you'll have to keep up on re-coating the wood periodically.
 
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I figure I'll re-coat it every couple years, when I do the fence. I'm afraid the product I'm using is being phased out of California, but there should be something available to do the trick.
 
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Nearly done!
(House is in process of getting painted, too!)
Had a very limited amount of time. Put on upper side pieces.
Final 2 pieces for finishing touch need 3 cuts, and re-seal on exposed edges. It's gonna be a few more weeks out. Prior engagements have us away from the house much of this month. Busy.

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Super nice! I'd have been tempted to leave a little space to fill it with rebar and concrete depending on the road you live on. Might save you catching a charge later on if some miscreants get after it.

And yeah, I'm half kidding - I think you can get it almost as much trouble for having a tank-proof mailbox these days...
 
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From what we've seen, and all accounts from neighbors, not too many miscreants out there. We're kinda out of the way. Which is nice.
There was some concern that, perhaps, the mailbox needs to give in case of vehicular impact.
 
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I though I could improve nighttime lighting by moving the lights down a hair, and spacing them out from the panels, more in line with the numbers.
It backfired.

I need to look at it again, it a night or two, to see if moving the ligths down was the right move. Moving them outboard of the panels was not.



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Just a bit N of you, I would not think of a locking box for mail. All I get in the mail are not bills, but requests for donations and ads for places I don’t shop. Fortunately I do not have to carry the mail in as the recycle box is between the mailbox and the door
 
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We get actual important mail sometimes (amidst all the junk, and solicitations.) recycle bin nearby is a great idea! Don’t even bring that stuff in to the house.
 
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Third time's the charm?
Kept the lights in the lower position, brought them back inboard against the panels, and spaced 'em out just a bit farther. Real test will come tonight - see how well the numbers show up now.
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May be a dumb question but what happens if you get mail too large to fit through the slot....like maybe a small package in a padded envelope? We get lots of small Amazon stuff that way that the final delivery is done by USPS.

I've never had an issue with mail being stolen....just stuff that never arrived because a USPS employee stole it before it had a chance to be delivered. Example: bank statement, car license sticker and a few similar things. Informed Delivery sent pics showing it was going to be delivered, but they never showed up.
 

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May be a dumb question but what happens if you get mail too large to fit through the slot....like maybe a small package in a padded envelope? We get lots of small Amazon stuff that way that the final delivery is done by USPS.

I've never had an issue with mail being stolen....just stuff that never arrived because a USPS employee stole it before it had a chance to be delivered. Example: bank statement, car license sticker and a few similar things. Informed Delivery sent pics showing it was going to be delivered, but they never showed up.
No idea about the OP, but if I get something that doesn't fit in the mailbox, my mail carriers have always brought it up to the house. I figured that was standard
 
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