Well i dont know about anywhere else in the whole world but here where I live you just dont get inspected, if u have the money they have the product and u get what u want, if u want to get electricity to a 1973 20ft bumper pull camper set up on blocks, with an old big satelite on top, you can...no problem...here ya go...and heres your plumbing too...no lie...true story, my friend did it..... :S he is a real work of art
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K - you seem to hang onto the inspections portions of our posts....but, have you gotten your insurance provider to approve those plans & your type of construction?
Can you or your wife quarantee you will always have your son under constant observation?
Will your wife be happy with just 1 bathroom?
I don't care about the answers but they might be questions to ask!
Can you or your wife quarantee you will always have your son under constant observation?
Will your wife be happy with just 1 bathroom?
I don't care about the answers but they might be questions to ask!
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How much more would it be to go an extra 10' on the width, then put up a wall with a big glass window or even a couple of patio doors. This way the shop side is bigger, and the "wall" is basically the "fume" divider.
I like the way you think, but I also understand what the other guys are talking about.
I have a five year old boy, that's right beside me, wanting to do everything I do. ( Need to buy two of everything!!). You can't watch them all the time, and things do happen quick. He got his foot caught in the three point hitch on my tractor, he wasn't even on it when I turned around, but managed to get on and mess around with levers, and in a matter of seconds his foot was caught. He's okay, but it scared the hell out of me, and I learned to watch him closer.
I give you credit, for trying something "new". But I don't think a simple wall will crush your dreams. I don't agree with alot of the laws and codes either, and if you did everything by the law you would be broke, but you need to know when you can "skimp" and when you can't.....If you really want to live this dream and do it legally, look into a $45k toy hauler .......Just my opinion..........don't shoot!
I like the way you think, but I also understand what the other guys are talking about.
I have a five year old boy, that's right beside me, wanting to do everything I do. ( Need to buy two of everything!!). You can't watch them all the time, and things do happen quick. He got his foot caught in the three point hitch on my tractor, he wasn't even on it when I turned around, but managed to get on and mess around with levers, and in a matter of seconds his foot was caught. He's okay, but it scared the hell out of me, and I learned to watch him closer.
I give you credit, for trying something "new". But I don't think a simple wall will crush your dreams. I don't agree with alot of the laws and codes either, and if you did everything by the law you would be broke, but you need to know when you can "skimp" and when you can't.....If you really want to live this dream and do it legally, look into a $45k toy hauler .......Just my opinion..........don't shoot!
Your idea isn't bad... something I often thought of when I was similar age to you. I would suggest trying to build slightly taller and put the bedrooms up on a loft over the kitchen/bath area. I would enclose the shop area like others have stated, not just for fumes, but it's nice to not have to clean up while half way through a project. There's lots of other fumes from stuff other than exhaust and gas - carb cleaner, degreaser, brake cleaner, oil, brake dust, etc...
Also, if you go with your design, make sure the windows in the bedrooms are big enough to get out in case of fire - need to have multiple exits.
There are some nice steel pre-fab buildings available for a good price. You can see some designs online just by searching that include all living space and shop space in a similar size or smaller even.
If you want real low low cost, you could build the quansit (sp?) hut style (arch) and put two adjoined for shop/living space.
Personally, you should know building codes aren't just there to be a pain in the a$$ - they are there to protect YOU. When I had my home and new shop built, the inspectors kept my builder (and subs) honest and won't let them get away with sloppy (or unsafe) work.
BTW, it's impossible to watch a 2 year old all the time... I found my 5 year old sliding down the hood of my 71 911 last week when I was working just outside the garage. Lucky for me her 3 year old brother narc'd on her to alert me! Nice polish on my new paint job :-( Fortunately she's a waif...
Also... wives that are quite understanding at first don't often stay that way... enough said.
Good luck either way and let us know how it works.
Karl
Also, if you go with your design, make sure the windows in the bedrooms are big enough to get out in case of fire - need to have multiple exits.
There are some nice steel pre-fab buildings available for a good price. You can see some designs online just by searching that include all living space and shop space in a similar size or smaller even.
If you want real low low cost, you could build the quansit (sp?) hut style (arch) and put two adjoined for shop/living space.
Personally, you should know building codes aren't just there to be a pain in the a$$ - they are there to protect YOU. When I had my home and new shop built, the inspectors kept my builder (and subs) honest and won't let them get away with sloppy (or unsafe) work.
BTW, it's impossible to watch a 2 year old all the time... I found my 5 year old sliding down the hood of my 71 911 last week when I was working just outside the garage. Lucky for me her 3 year old brother narc'd on her to alert me! Nice polish on my new paint job :-( Fortunately she's a waif...
Also... wives that are quite understanding at first don't often stay that way... enough said.
Good luck either way and let us know how it works.
Karl
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Now, I like that - a moveable glass wall aka http://www.kwik-wall.com/products/glass/ClearDivisions.asp
boiler7904
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Don't you have to have a minimum 6" high non-combustible gas curb between the garage and living spaces as well? Every slab on grade home I've every seen is built that way.
e-tek
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Hey there Atvmech - Welcome to "Garage Meddlers" -the forum for guys who like to pull their permits.
I gotta say, I've seen some posts go bad and I've seen some guys get the rough ride, but this takes the cake! I'm quite sure you didn't think through every detail when you posted your first draft...it was probably just that - a first draft! A dream. A work-in-progress. A moving target.
But then you get guys who have spoken "shop" for so long they can pick apart a restory inhabited by motorcycle-loving Buddists! These know-it-alls mean no harm - they just like things done right (or, like to point out when they aren't). You shoulda seen when I posted my "Parts Paint Booth" - Is that an explosion-proof fan? That filter won't keep the VOC's out of your shop. That styrofoam will burn up!
I'm still using it. 
Anyways, hope it doesn't stop you from coming back - I like the idea - even if your son will be hideously deformed from inhaling toxic 105 octane ATV gas and bedding down in a brake dust laden comforter.
I gotta say, I've seen some posts go bad and I've seen some guys get the rough ride, but this takes the cake! I'm quite sure you didn't think through every detail when you posted your first draft...it was probably just that - a first draft! A dream. A work-in-progress. A moving target.
But then you get guys who have spoken "shop" for so long they can pick apart a restory inhabited by motorcycle-loving Buddists! These know-it-alls mean no harm - they just like things done right (or, like to point out when they aren't). You shoulda seen when I posted my "Parts Paint Booth" - Is that an explosion-proof fan? That filter won't keep the VOC's out of your shop. That styrofoam will burn up!
I'm still using it. Anyways, hope it doesn't stop you from coming back - I like the idea - even if your son will be hideously deformed from inhaling toxic 105 octane ATV gas and bedding down in a brake dust laden comforter.
PAToyota
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Perhaps you missed this the first time, then.
Not to mention that even a dealership doesn't have the public wandering around back in their shop - just the showroom. And more often than not the cycles in the showroom aren't prepped yet and are empty of fluids.
boiler7904
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What you want to build is not legal to build under any currently enforced building code in the United States. Period. You can not argue that logically. The only reason that you're getting away with it is that you are building out in the sticks and don't have to get regular financing. I'm sure that if your insurance company sent out an adjuster, they would not insure the building as designed because you guessed it; the building doesn't meet minimum building code and safety standards. Your county's tax department may have issues with it too but that's a different set of problems.
No one here can make you do anything that you don't want to do if the local building department won't enforce the code. Many people on this forum deal with construction and building codes all day every day, myself included. People like PAToyota (licensed, practicing architect) are giving you free professional advice in the spirit of watching out for the safety and long term health of you and your family. If you're too ignorant to recognize that and feel the need to respond to their real-world, common-sense experience and advice with a bunch of profanity-ridden posts, you probably shouldn't be posting in a public forum. Wait, I forgot. You're 21. You know everything about everything. In 5, 10, and 15 years, you'll realize how little you really know right now.
There is absolutely no way for you (or your wife) to watch a 2 year old 24/7. Accidents happen. For the safety of your son, I hope you listen to the advice you are given here. Nobody wants to have to say told you so down the road when the unthinkable happens.
As far as the design goes, 10x10 bedrooms are insanely small. Make them bigger.
How are you going to get heat and a/c to the bedrooms? Radiant tube heaters are great for open spaces like the shop / kitchen / dining room / living room but they will not heat the bedrooms and bathroom.
12 years is a long time to live with only 10 feet of closet space for 2 adults and a kid. You need more storage.
If you're so hell-bent on not adding a wall between the shop space and living space, at least have the common sense to use 5/8" drywall on both sides of the wall between the bedrooms and the common space and make each of the bedroom doors fire rated. They don't have to be anything special but it would give you enough time to get out in case of a fire.
Definitely need CO detectors in each bedroom.
No one here can make you do anything that you don't want to do if the local building department won't enforce the code. Many people on this forum deal with construction and building codes all day every day, myself included. People like PAToyota (licensed, practicing architect) are giving you free professional advice in the spirit of watching out for the safety and long term health of you and your family. If you're too ignorant to recognize that and feel the need to respond to their real-world, common-sense experience and advice with a bunch of profanity-ridden posts, you probably shouldn't be posting in a public forum. Wait, I forgot. You're 21. You know everything about everything. In 5, 10, and 15 years, you'll realize how little you really know right now.
There is absolutely no way for you (or your wife) to watch a 2 year old 24/7. Accidents happen. For the safety of your son, I hope you listen to the advice you are given here. Nobody wants to have to say told you so down the road when the unthinkable happens.
As far as the design goes, 10x10 bedrooms are insanely small. Make them bigger.
How are you going to get heat and a/c to the bedrooms? Radiant tube heaters are great for open spaces like the shop / kitchen / dining room / living room but they will not heat the bedrooms and bathroom.
12 years is a long time to live with only 10 feet of closet space for 2 adults and a kid. You need more storage.
If you're so hell-bent on not adding a wall between the shop space and living space, at least have the common sense to use 5/8" drywall on both sides of the wall between the bedrooms and the common space and make each of the bedroom doors fire rated. They don't have to be anything special but it would give you enough time to get out in case of a fire.
Definitely need CO detectors in each bedroom.
Love the glass wall!
No carb cleaner, etc. will be used in here
My infrared heater heats the exact same layout down the road
Detectors will be used
PAToyota....man....when was the last time u worked at a dealership...i did....75% of bikes have gas....if its a busy place....bikes get test drives off the floor more often than not....and at the very least absolute least 1 bike will have gas...ONE...equivalent to my setup...thanks a ton
Me and She only see the 10x10 bedroom to sleep....or.....yea..that...sometimes....
Now for an actual update-
-Livingroom and kitchen are getting a brown marbleized stain with gloss clear
-Garage side getting oil based epoxy, brown with a big fat effin texas star in light brown in the middle...i wanted to do the garage side blue and a silver star but the she said no...
-Forms started today (late)...slab getting poured wednesday
OH YEA, she might be agreeing to everything now but will be stuck with it later...damn...she will get her dream house sooner or later
oh yea, did I need a permit to cut down some small trees around my pond...oh well...
some of u guys probably get a permit from moderators to post, just so u know it will be safe...LIVE ON THE EDGE, take the plunge...yes you PATOY, go ahead, just post, forget the permit
A-Tek, "you tha man"...thanks for the post, i liked it...nobody is perfect...so why try
As far as insurance, whos to say that extra space over there isnt a game room? Its all about perspective
No carb cleaner, etc. will be used in here
My infrared heater heats the exact same layout down the road
Detectors will be used
PAToyota....man....when was the last time u worked at a dealership...i did....75% of bikes have gas....if its a busy place....bikes get test drives off the floor more often than not....and at the very least absolute least 1 bike will have gas...ONE...equivalent to my setup...thanks a ton
Me and She only see the 10x10 bedroom to sleep....or.....yea..that...sometimes....
Now for an actual update-
-Livingroom and kitchen are getting a brown marbleized stain with gloss clear
-Garage side getting oil based epoxy, brown with a big fat effin texas star in light brown in the middle...i wanted to do the garage side blue and a silver star but the she said no...
-Forms started today (late)...slab getting poured wednesday
OH YEA, she might be agreeing to everything now but will be stuck with it later...damn...she will get her dream house sooner or later
oh yea, did I need a permit to cut down some small trees around my pond...oh well...
some of u guys probably get a permit from moderators to post, just so u know it will be safe...LIVE ON THE EDGE, take the plunge...yes you PATOY, go ahead, just post, forget the permit
A-Tek, "you tha man"...thanks for the post, i liked it...nobody is perfect...so why try
As far as insurance, whos to say that extra space over there isnt a game room? Its all about perspective
atvmech,
I grew up in LA and TX, I've spent most of my life relearning how to do things correctly,. Friendly advice follows: If everyone else around you is communicating clearly (especially with respect to items of safety) and they all have an opinion different than yours, you're either a Maverick or a Dumb ***. Only you can decide which category you fit in. We all know you're a big boy and you can obviously do whatever you want, but seriously, it might be prudent to consider the intelligent thought of others here.
Just so you know, even modern fuel injected Harleys can leave some pretty good gas fumes. As a matter of fact, I leave my garage door open for a while after parking my 05 Low Rider or my wife complains about the fuel smell in the garage. And those Harleys in the showroom, watch closely, they get pushed in and out, not ridden in and out. Also notice that garage is always separated from the showroom space by a wall and door.
I grew up in LA and TX, I've spent most of my life relearning how to do things correctly,
. Friendly advice follows: If everyone else around you is communicating clearly (especially with respect to items of safety) and they all have an opinion different than yours, you're either a Maverick or a Dumb ***. Only you can decide which category you fit in. We all know you're a big boy and you can obviously do whatever you want, but seriously, it might be prudent to consider the intelligent thought of others here.Just so you know, even modern fuel injected Harleys can leave some pretty good gas fumes. As a matter of fact, I leave my garage door open for a while after parking my 05 Low Rider or my wife complains about the fuel smell in the garage. And those Harleys in the showroom, watch closely, they get pushed in and out, not ridden in and out. Also notice that garage is always separated from the showroom space by a wall and door.
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atvmech,
I grew up in LA and TX, I've spent most of my life relearning how to do things correctly,
Just so you know, even modern fuel injected Harleys can leave some pretty good gas fumes. As a matter of fact, I leave my garage door open for a while after parking my 05 Low Rider or my wife complains about the fuel smell in the garage. And those Harleys in the showroom, watch closely, they get pushed in and out, not ridden in and out. Also notice that garage is always separated from the showroom space by a wall and door.
We are not even talking about the garage, but the SHOWROOM, where the parts counter is, where the offices are, where the public walks in and you see all the bikes. And they do get pushed into the showroom, with gas in at least ONE of the bikes..........AT LEAST
And i dont know about you but every shop Ive been in gets stuff started up inside of it all the time....but not this shop im building, UNTIL WE MOVE OUT..
nebben
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That is exactly what I was pointing out: EXPERIENCE. I was 19 and made a boneheaded decision because I thought everything was fine. It wasn't fine, and that lesson was learned. That's called experience.
I suspect you enjoy this kind of criticism. Why post your plan here if you are unable to accept others' ideas or critiques? Please, nobody here is attacking you personally, except perhaps because of your offensive language and tone, but people here are meaning well I can assure you.
Until you can learn to grow up and stop attacking me, I'll stop commenting on your project.
I wasnt attacking you nebben?...but ok....i just dont understand why everybody is so bent out of shape....really....lets point out the facts..again
-The "garage", "shop", "workshop"...whatever you call it will be merely a future "garage","shop",or "workshop"
-Yes it will have a workbench and tools, which do not emmit fumes
-I dont even have a bike yet, but thats just because I havent found one i want to buy yet, and when I do it wont be in here all the time, actually hardly ever, more like when i ride it home and its bad weather and dont want to leave it outside...
-Yea i might bring the bike in to polish some chrome or something, but thats it...i have another shop, do really work in...
-The "garage", "workshop" or whatever will be more the less a game room...
So in all honesty you will probably see more dangers in your attatched garage than my set-up
Nebben, nobody, not even me, was attacking you...so quit cryin....
-The "garage", "shop", "workshop"...whatever you call it will be merely a future "garage","shop",or "workshop"
-Yes it will have a workbench and tools, which do not emmit fumes
-I dont even have a bike yet, but thats just because I havent found one i want to buy yet, and when I do it wont be in here all the time, actually hardly ever, more like when i ride it home and its bad weather and dont want to leave it outside...
-Yea i might bring the bike in to polish some chrome or something, but thats it...i have another shop, do really work in...
-The "garage", "workshop" or whatever will be more the less a game room...
So in all honesty you will probably see more dangers in your attatched garage than my set-up
Nebben, nobody, not even me, was attacking you...so quit cryin....
cyclopsblown34
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Good looking shop themed game room and temporary living quarters plan. I especially like the idea of he overhead door so you can get bulky items in without a bunch of aggravation. Good luck with the project and I hope I didn't miss anything by just jumping to the end of the thread. it'll be a cool hobby shop once you get the home built for the family unit.
wrigh003
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Cliffs notes:
This is doable, but make some concessions to safety and your family. I only spent ten minutes typing this because I felt like you have a good idea that needs tweaking, now go make it happen. There are a lot of guys on here who are giving you valuable professional advice, as well as the benefit of years of experience. Don't be so quick to dismiss that, it's a mistake. All suggestions are made in the spirit of helping you out, not antagonizing you.
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Put up the wall now, while you can integrate it into the rest of the building project- it'll cost less. I guarantee you you'll eventually be doing it anyway, either to keep the kid out of your tools or because your significant other gets tired of looking at garage stuff all the time. Women can be funny like that. A few hundred bucks added on the front end of this project will yield big dividends in comfort for you and yours.
Since you're doing this as a steel building, are you going to have ceilings on the living space? I gather not, since you're planning on using infrared heat hung from a purlin. I know you're in TX- what about AC? What are your plans there?
I completely understand wanting to go your own way on this, that's fine. Part of being a parent, though, is taking any reasonable precaution to protect them. Wait a year, and that 2-year-old is going to increase in speed 400%, and probably listen to you less. Structure your build now with that in mind.
If you're bent on doing it this way, here would be my completely amateur suggestions/ what I would do:
-Build a curb to prevent fumes/gas spills from getting in the living space- cheap insurance. You can get rid of it via jackhammer later (12 years later) if you need to.
-Build a wall between the shop area and living quarters. If you want it open all the time, fine, spend a little money on a nice set of exterior french doors. That way you can leave them open if you want most of the time, and close them up when you're out there making racket at 1AM and your wife and son want to sleep.
-I'd go ahead and close the building envelope of the living area, just build a box in a box. It'll be cheaper to heat and cool the thing, since it's got the protection of the bigger steel building around it. Later, when you want to make it shop-only space, you can still do that, just frame with your future plan in mind when you do it. If you frame the ceilings right, you can build stairs and use the "roof" of your "house" as a storage loft, play area for the kid(s) or whatever. Think roof deck- your options are open since you don't have to put shingles on it.
-Put a regular furnace in , but don't share it (vents or returns) with the garage area. This will mean you leave the french doors shut most of the time, but it'll also mean your wife and kid are more comfortable and that your energy bills are lower.
Now, still with me? I just added a few grand to the price tag of your project, and maybe it's not 110% what you had in mind at first. That said, I'm just thinking ahead. With the above changes, it'll be easier to sell later, easier to live in, easier (cheaper) to heat and cool, nicer, and better in just about every possible way. Forget about codes and nanny states, it's not about that. It's about protecting your kids and making a nice home for your wife/girlfriend. If she's willing to essentially camp out with you for 12 years while you do things your way, she's a keeper- make her a nice place.
This is doable, but make some concessions to safety and your family. I only spent ten minutes typing this because I felt like you have a good idea that needs tweaking, now go make it happen. There are a lot of guys on here who are giving you valuable professional advice, as well as the benefit of years of experience. Don't be so quick to dismiss that, it's a mistake. All suggestions are made in the spirit of helping you out, not antagonizing you.
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Put up the wall now, while you can integrate it into the rest of the building project- it'll cost less. I guarantee you you'll eventually be doing it anyway, either to keep the kid out of your tools or because your significant other gets tired of looking at garage stuff all the time. Women can be funny like that. A few hundred bucks added on the front end of this project will yield big dividends in comfort for you and yours.
Since you're doing this as a steel building, are you going to have ceilings on the living space? I gather not, since you're planning on using infrared heat hung from a purlin. I know you're in TX- what about AC? What are your plans there?
I completely understand wanting to go your own way on this, that's fine. Part of being a parent, though, is taking any reasonable precaution to protect them. Wait a year, and that 2-year-old is going to increase in speed 400%, and probably listen to you less. Structure your build now with that in mind.
If you're bent on doing it this way, here would be my completely amateur suggestions/ what I would do:
-Build a curb to prevent fumes/gas spills from getting in the living space- cheap insurance. You can get rid of it via jackhammer later (12 years later) if you need to.
-Build a wall between the shop area and living quarters. If you want it open all the time, fine, spend a little money on a nice set of exterior french doors. That way you can leave them open if you want most of the time, and close them up when you're out there making racket at 1AM and your wife and son want to sleep.
-I'd go ahead and close the building envelope of the living area, just build a box in a box. It'll be cheaper to heat and cool the thing, since it's got the protection of the bigger steel building around it. Later, when you want to make it shop-only space, you can still do that, just frame with your future plan in mind when you do it. If you frame the ceilings right, you can build stairs and use the "roof" of your "house" as a storage loft, play area for the kid(s) or whatever. Think roof deck- your options are open since you don't have to put shingles on it.
-Put a regular furnace in , but don't share it (vents or returns) with the garage area. This will mean you leave the french doors shut most of the time, but it'll also mean your wife and kid are more comfortable and that your energy bills are lower.
Now, still with me? I just added a few grand to the price tag of your project, and maybe it's not 110% what you had in mind at first. That said, I'm just thinking ahead. With the above changes, it'll be easier to sell later, easier to live in, easier (cheaper) to heat and cool, nicer, and better in just about every possible way. Forget about codes and nanny states, it's not about that. It's about protecting your kids and making a nice home for your wife/girlfriend. If she's willing to essentially camp out with you for 12 years while you do things your way, she's a keeper- make her a nice place.
wrigh003...read my previous post...i anwer some questions there
As far as AC goes it will have central air, one long shoot coming from the loft area all the way to the center of the building
Im going to leave the ceilings open, i just prefer the look over..when u have lived in rent houses, and small duplexs....u get the want for more open spaces...
The spray in hard foam insulation will be painted an off white
The interior walls on the living quarters are actually going to be a paneling i found, it looks like old greyed barn wood...thats the only way i know how to describe it..when i first saw it in a restaurant i went and touched it because i thought it was real...it has a nice 3d effect...
The shop/gameroom end will get the workbench and peg board and cabinets for the majority of the wall..whats showing will be sheet metal like the outside, just with a lower rib height
My livingroom floor will be acid stained and covered with a high gloss sealer
The garage/shop/gameroom floor will be sherwin williams oil based epoxy with the same sealer
Bedrooms getting carpet..
Bathroom, probably just linoleum, or I might stain it, havent decided....not against ceramic tile, i have been thinking i might want some type of under flooring heating...not sure on that yet
I plan on seeing forms today, steel and conduit in the forms , ready for the pour tomr-
As far as AC goes it will have central air, one long shoot coming from the loft area all the way to the center of the building
Im going to leave the ceilings open, i just prefer the look over..when u have lived in rent houses, and small duplexs....u get the want for more open spaces...
The spray in hard foam insulation will be painted an off white
The interior walls on the living quarters are actually going to be a paneling i found, it looks like old greyed barn wood...thats the only way i know how to describe it..when i first saw it in a restaurant i went and touched it because i thought it was real...it has a nice 3d effect...
The shop/gameroom end will get the workbench and peg board and cabinets for the majority of the wall..whats showing will be sheet metal like the outside, just with a lower rib height
My livingroom floor will be acid stained and covered with a high gloss sealer
The garage/shop/gameroom floor will be sherwin williams oil based epoxy with the same sealer
Bedrooms getting carpet..
Bathroom, probably just linoleum, or I might stain it, havent decided....not against ceramic tile, i have been thinking i might want some type of under flooring heating...not sure on that yet
I plan on seeing forms today, steel and conduit in the forms , ready for the pour tomr-
Any pictures?
One issue with open spaces and high ceilings in an interior is the lack of warmth feeling. For example, you may want to try a false ceiling over your "living room" area - imagine a ceiling grid without the tiles but with spacing around 12". It leads to a sense of rooms without actual walls.
Being in Texas, you can really expand your home to the outdoors also by having some large overhangs - cheap living space. This would also lower your AC bill by providing shade to your interior.
All cheap things to do that can turn your building more into a home.
Good luck,
Karl
One issue with open spaces and high ceilings in an interior is the lack of warmth feeling. For example, you may want to try a false ceiling over your "living room" area - imagine a ceiling grid without the tiles but with spacing around 12". It leads to a sense of rooms without actual walls.
Being in Texas, you can really expand your home to the outdoors also by having some large overhangs - cheap living space. This would also lower your AC bill by providing shade to your interior.
All cheap things to do that can turn your building more into a home.
Good luck,
Karl
No pictures yet, when I get off work its dark...going to take some this weekend, slab will be done tomr-
Waiting on the ground to dry up some more i have to get a couple belly dump loads of gravel hauled in for the driveway...
After the project is done ive already got an idea for a floating dock for my pond, ive got several channel cat in there and they have gotten used to a regular feeding schedule. Ive got a cedar tree im going to hide a broadcasting deer feeder in, to shoot catfish feed out into the pond, twice a day. Ive got some big cats in there and i look forward to enjoying that with my son once he is older...the bigger the cat, the more the fun....plus with as many as i have in there...i need to get rid of some.....good eatin
Waiting on the ground to dry up some more i have to get a couple belly dump loads of gravel hauled in for the driveway...
After the project is done ive already got an idea for a floating dock for my pond, ive got several channel cat in there and they have gotten used to a regular feeding schedule. Ive got a cedar tree im going to hide a broadcasting deer feeder in, to shoot catfish feed out into the pond, twice a day. Ive got some big cats in there and i look forward to enjoying that with my son once he is older...the bigger the cat, the more the fun....plus with as many as i have in there...i need to get rid of some.....good eatin
Since this thread has no pictorial value, i will show you some of my projects of recent years
-The white monte carlo, picked it up for $500 FROM A PASTURE, here is the mock up of the 6 point cage, seat mounts
-The white car with the #9 is an IMCA Hobby stock I had built for myself
-The #15 car is my electricians car, built by Bunch Racing chassis, now u might as well call it my chassis, its all been changed and updated...ive taken his car under my wing as of last year, lots of work, but lots of fun
-The pictures of the blue cage and stuff is my last car i was workin on, sold it to a guy in baton rouge LA, incomplete.....he had the money....i had to take it
-Black and orange modified is the same car....my last car i had....
-The white monte carlo, picked it up for $500 FROM A PASTURE, here is the mock up of the 6 point cage, seat mounts
-The white car with the #9 is an IMCA Hobby stock I had built for myself
-The #15 car is my electricians car, built by Bunch Racing chassis, now u might as well call it my chassis, its all been changed and updated...ive taken his car under my wing as of last year, lots of work, but lots of fun
-The pictures of the blue cage and stuff is my last car i was workin on, sold it to a guy in baton rouge LA, incomplete.....he had the money....i had to take it
-Black and orange modified is the same car....my last car i had....
e-tek
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Very cool projects!
I tell ya, I used Ceramic tile in the up bath (wifes insisitence) and WISH I had put floor heat in it. I HATE ************* in the night with cold feet!!!!!
Lookin' forward to the build pics!
I tell ya, I used Ceramic tile in the up bath (wifes insisitence) and WISH I had put floor heat in it. I HATE ************* in the night with cold feet!!!!!
Lookin' forward to the build pics!
LOL, good luck with the clean linens in the toilet room.
Obiviously your not 'in the know' about how to design a home for a child. Hope is works out for your family
jtrace
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Atv, being a circle trsck guy myself I enjoyed the pics. We're running out of tracks here in Jersey down to two short tracks (New Egypt & Bridgeport) both dirt. Since losing Wall Speedway I have lost alot of bussiness build and repair race cars was a hobby till last year when I lost my job now I'm trying it full time, I have a SS Sprint car here now needs new rub rails rear bumper and a couple of body pieces made I would love to have a bigger garage but I couldn't puy up a shed in my yard without all kindsa permits the Mayor dosen't like me or my Dad that makes things tough lol....
John
John
Yea JTrace, the 15 car is in my shop right now, naked. The body from performance bodies came in yesterday in a big huge box, had to borrow the fathers truck to get it out there...my 4 door short,short bed colorado wouldnt quite do! New Nose, fenders,doors,rear quarters, and a tail. Not only do i have to get the body on it Im going to struggle to get this car done before next season, between this and the shop, and work im going to be pretty strapped. Ive got to change up some front shock mounts to free up the steering and get some more travel. Then I gotta pull the motor and put up a new flat firewall per IMCA rules. Then put the motor back in and paint this biatch and go racing!
screw that, the driver will be fine with no firewall. That's only required by the rules in the off chance that a fire ever breaks out while he is strapped in. Those Yankee IMCA rule makers don't know **** and are just trying to restrict your rights....
You can leave the factory GM firewall in place...that is if you want to..but when it comes to certain chores, it comes in handy to fabricate your own flat firewall. With a fabricated firewall you can move 12" back and have plenty of room to work, bleed the throwout bearing, remove transmission bolts, removing the dist., removing headers, blah blah blah.
I caught your smart *** remark.
Now for a few dumb YANKEE rules they have come up with
-You can cut the tail off the decklid but it must remain pop riveted inside the plastic tail piece, all i ask is...why
-no overlapping body panels, IMCA techs cant even explain this one
-IMCA is about keeping racing cheap and competitive, so why no quick change rearends?..only a 9" Ford....price setting up a third member for a 9", as opposed to a set of gears for a quick change, which are $50....yes the quick change is a couple $100 higher, but will save u green in the long run
-You have a gas cap on your fuel cell that is SEALED, and your cell is equipped with a roll-over valve in the vent, but yet you have to have a cheesy flapper valve on the filler neck...that tends to rot and fall in your tank....
-You cant run adjustable trailing arms, but yet you can have multiple mounting positions on the brackets for the factory arms...
-in hobby stock u have to run drum brakes on the rear, thats just a safety issue with no power brakes
-no digital gauges.....
Dont get smart with the rules, they have dumb *** rules....some that compromise safety
I caught your smart *** remark.
Now for a few dumb YANKEE rules they have come up with
-You can cut the tail off the decklid but it must remain pop riveted inside the plastic tail piece, all i ask is...why
-no overlapping body panels, IMCA techs cant even explain this one
-IMCA is about keeping racing cheap and competitive, so why no quick change rearends?..only a 9" Ford....price setting up a third member for a 9", as opposed to a set of gears for a quick change, which are $50....yes the quick change is a couple $100 higher, but will save u green in the long run
-You have a gas cap on your fuel cell that is SEALED, and your cell is equipped with a roll-over valve in the vent, but yet you have to have a cheesy flapper valve on the filler neck...that tends to rot and fall in your tank....
-You cant run adjustable trailing arms, but yet you can have multiple mounting positions on the brackets for the factory arms...
-in hobby stock u have to run drum brakes on the rear, thats just a safety issue with no power brakes
-no digital gauges.....
Dont get smart with the rules, they have dumb *** rules....some that compromise safety