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petrocan94

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My job title is "millwright maintenance mechanic" at a gold mine. I'm not a construction millwright, I don't do new equipment installs or major retrofits like most union construction millwrights do in the USA. My work is almost 100% repair in some pretty rough conditions.

Here's a thread on my tools that's pretty up to date. https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/threads/mining-millwright-tool-box.458918/

Here's some thoughts

I would wait/ only buy tools you'll use at home if you don't need them at work till you get a job. The job title/ trade is so diverse it's hard to figure out what you'll need till you actually start and have a chance to talk with your coworkers. A basic set of hand tools is all I'd buy till you figure out what you are going to be doing. Some employers provide 100% of your tools, some provide some, and some provide none. My work tools are a 20+ year collection, I'm lucky to make pretty good money and afford good tools with this job. They aren't going to expect you to show up with a pile of tools on day 1 right out of school. I have a lot more specialty stuff than my coworkers. I'm not planning on being here for ever and have been buying stuff while I can afford it with plans of either going out on my own or taking a pay cut to get out of mining. My specialty tools do make my life a lot easier and get me jobs easier on my body than my coworkers who aren't as tooled up though I wouldn't worry about this on day 1. Some of the unions may require domestic only tools though usually have pretty limited tool lists.

Are you planning on traveling/ moving or living where you live now? This is an important decision when buying tool truck tools. Odds are you won't see a tool truck weekly at work. Your rep is almost more important than the tools themselves. The only tool truck for 500 miles is Snapon. I like my rep, he's great with warranty. I send him a picture of a broken tool and he gets a new one coming if he doesn't have it on the truck. I meet up with him when I'm in town on my days off, he lets me have a truck account even though he doesn't see me weekly. I don't have a local harbor freight/ princess auto here to walk in and exchange stuff. The tool truck warranty is easy and takes maybe 5 minuets of my time on my days off if I don't get stuck BSing with my snapon guy. Tekton is easy, send them a picture, they send you a new tool.

My chisels, punches, air hammer bits, pry bars, brass drifts, picks, breaker bars and pullers are almost 100% snapon. These are the tools I usually break. If I didn't have a good rep I'd think twice about buying snapon. A lot of it has come from e-bay or bought on special on the truck at less than retail prices.

Standard wrenches are williams full polish super combos. I think they are the most comfortable wrenches out there. My bigger metric wrenches are Tekton, I couldn't justify spending a ton on them, I also wouldn't buy a no skips set of big wrenches, a 31mm wrench is pretty much pointless to spend money or waste tool box space on though I now have one. My ratcheting wrenches are mostly gear wrench, I haven't broken one in 3 years though am nice to them

Adjustable wrenches are a hodge podge, mostly proto. I haven't broken one in years though if I do I'm stuck buying another out of my pocket. I also like my ridgids though rumor has it they aren't making them in the USA any more

Angle wrenches are snapon off e-bay. I had a set of 15/60 williams made in USA I hated the fit and finish of, snapon and tekton are the main brands making bigger than 1" 30/60 angle wrenches. I didn't care for the feel of the Tektons and picked up the snappys 1 at a time for about the same price as Tekton.

Sockets are a hodge podge of everything under the sun. I bought a set of Tekton 1/2" metric impact sockets, they are decent for the price. I have a set of grey pneumatic 1/2" standard deep impact sockets I beat the ever living **** out of. GP is a pain to warranty, tekton is easy. I'll be buying Tekton or snapon off e-bay from now on. I use 1/2" stuff 90% of the time, 1/4" stuff is mainly for guards and hose clamps. I'd buy impact sockets instead of chrome to start with.

Ratchets are just about 100% snapon. Easy warranty, I like the blue handles and think they are comfortable. My extra long blue 1/2" hard handle flex head is my most used ratchet followed by my midlength 3/8" hard handled flex head.

Most of my pliers are Knipex, they hold up great. I'd consider buying them through a tool truck for easy warranty.

Screw drivers/ picks are mainly snapon with some williams hard handles, a snappy guy can put a blade on a williams hard handle (same thing) and may or may not charge you for the blade. Snapon pocket pry bar is a champ, I give mine no mercy and they take it beautifully.

Punches/ chisels/ drifts are 100% snapon. Easy simple no questions asked warranty handing him a broken chisel my apprentice tried to use as a pry bar or a bronze drift in the shape of a banana. I probably swap out 1-2 air hammer chisels a month, beating on hardened seats destroys them though he keeps handing me new ones.

Another thing to think about if you are traveling is blow molded cases. I love them for dragging tools up 4 flights of stairs 100 yards from the truck so I don't forget things. Grabbing a whole set of sockets or a tap and die set is something to think about when working in the field vs. 50' from your tool box in a shop, you don't realize some jerk jammed the wrong size bolt in till you are deep into the job and have to make a trip for 1 socket or wrench.

No skip sets are really nice for OCD people in their tool box at home, dragging around a wrench you never use because you had to buy a complete set for your OCD gets heavy. Bigger tools (1 1/4"+ wrenches, 3/4" drive + sockets) I'd wait on, many employers provide them and you can usually use an adjustable wrench in a pinch. You can also usually cheat and use a metric in place of a standard or standard in place of a metric. Good quality big tools aren't cheap.

I go through my tool bag every couple months and reevaluate what I'm dragging around. If you are buying a tool bag 100% buy a bag with a shoulder strap or a back pack.

I would wait till you find out what you are doing before buying a bunch of comfort grips/ soft handles, they don't like being covered in goo all the time which may or may not be a factor. Some of the ergonomic tools like Werra have a lot of nooks and crannies to clean goo out of.

Wow that's a book. Let me know if you have more questions.
So many great advices, thank you ! Also for the cases? Do you mean like pelican tool box ? As for tool price. Right now if I import wright tools satin 15 pieces wrench SAE ( because the 3 places that sells them in CAN are just crazy expensive. So on summit racing website for the set with shipping and estimated import taxes Im looking at 490$ CAD against 650$ CAD taxes included for Mac. However I heard that the Wright chrome flakes ? Is it still an issue?

Edit : I will import my tools from US. It’s gonna be less expensive. For arround 500$ CAD ( tax included ) I could get either Proto Satin 15 pieces or Wright. Which one should I get ?
 
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There's great advice in here. Learn to sort the wheat from the chaff. A lot of knowledge here and you'll find your trusted ones.

Also a ton of temptation in here. I have found myself jumping too soon because I saw something I wasn't familiar with when there were other and sometimes better options had I not been so impulsive. It's real easy to get caught up in that for me.

Welcome. :beer: :beer:
 

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Distance and 2 countries becomes a barrier. If you were local and not too proud for used tools, I could easily set you up with full set beginner tools for $500 cd. (Wrenches, ratchets, sockets (sae and metric, hex, torx), chisels, hammers, pliers, screwdrivers, chain wrench, adjustables, toolboxes; all Proto/SK/and similar) Shipping tough/expensive Canada. $60 medium flat rate box, $74 large one and big wrenches won't fit in large.
 
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Close, But this is all a real millwright tool......
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That's a miners wrench, some of them even have miner cast into them. Calling a construction millwright a miner a good way to end up out at the bike rack at an underground mine. Every true underground miner (they actually drill, blast, muck) I know carries 1. Most union millwrights I know are way too "particular" to use a rock ape tool.

So many great advices, thank you ! Also for the cases? Do you mean like pelican tool box ? As for tool price. Right now if I import wright tools satin 15 pieces wrench SAE ( because the 3 places that sells them in CAN are just crazy expensive. So on summit racing website for the set with shipping and estimated import taxes Im looking at 490$ CAD against 650$ CAD taxes included for Mac. However I heard that the Wright chrome flakes ? Is it still an issue?

Edit : I will import my tools from US. It’s gonna be less expensive. For arround 500$ CAD ( tax included ) I could get either Proto Satin 15 pieces or Wright. Which one should I get ?

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They come in handy for field work. DIY guys don't like them because they eat a lot of tool box space. If you are actually traveling you'll probably be working out of a Knaack box. I actually have that Tekton 1/4" set and it comes in handy though I went 2 1/2 years here before I had the need for a 1/4" deepwell socket and was rocking a cheap Kobalt 1/4" set previously.

As far as the wrenches go I like full polish wrenches a lot better. I work in a lot of gold slurry/ mud/ rock dust/ corrosive stuff/ hydro oil/ grease and the full polish just cleans up better. I haven't broken a Williams wrench in 3 years I've owned them and they still look new. I personally am not a fan of the Proto wrenches, there's nothing wrong with them though nothing that stands out to me, they are standard company issue tools a lot of places. I haven't put my hands on the new wright wrenches.

I'm not sure how cost prohibitive it would be in Canada to buy individual wrenches, maybe check out pawn shops or ebay. I would buy a 7/16", 1/2", 9/16", 3/4" wrench in 4 different brands (ex buy a 7/16" proto, 1/2" wright, 9/16" williams, 3/4" tekton) and compare them, those and 15/16" are the most common sizes I use and having a back up on hand isn't a bad idea. Unless you want the wrench set for home if you don't need it at work I'd wait till you start to buy your wrench set. You'll also be able to try out your coworkers wrenches.

This is the set I would be looking at if you are set on buying wrenches. https://www.williams-industrial.com...h-set-satin--sae--15-piece-pb_ws-1172sca.html

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B002FHTPQ6/?tag=atomicindus08-20

As far as wrench organization goes my most commonly used sizes are in my tool bag. My less used sizes are in my tool box in the shop, I grab wrenches based on the job. My angle wrenches are in a wrench roll which is awesome for field work. I grab the roll and go. Till you get a job it's hard to know what will and won't work organization wise.

If you show up the first week with a pair of channel locks/ knipex, an adjustable wrench, utility knife, and tweaker (small flat head screw driver) you'll be tooled up enough. Some employers will give you a tool list either in the interview or when you accept the job. I believe the union will also have a tool list.
 

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If you're concerned about warranty, I'd buy from a tool supply house in Canada. Other options would be off of the truck or direct from them online. Some of the brands mentioned are not well represented here.

There's a Canadian tire everywhere too.
 
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My Dad was a millwright for almost 40 years.
Craftsman and Harbor Freight is mostly what he used.
The thing is I know that I could have a set of overseas tools and it would work great. However I like tools, and I always did. Even as a locksmith my bosses are not big on quality tools they like to buy cheap screw drivers and cheap pick set ( pick to open locks ), also cheap hole saws. Anyways, my personal picks I import them from either USA or Germany because I like quality it makes me happy to use my tools. When I got a Lenox made in USA carbide hole saw with like 30 or something little carbide tip on the jaws yes it did cost 80$ Cad compared to 25/30 $ for standard Milwaukee one. But Damn that thing lasted me almost a year! I was happy to use it! I think it’s a personal choice at the end. Yes I could buy wayyyy cheaper stuff and be good at what I do, but I take pride in my work and I’m even prouder when I use quality tools made in a free country where people are not overworked machine and where there are safety measures . Also my father always told me: "we are too poor to buy things that are cheap" it doesn’t translate well to English but in Quebec when we say "cheap" it means low quality and inexpensive.
 

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The thing is I know that I could have a set of overseas tools and it would work great. However I like tools, and I always did. Even as a locksmith my bosses are not big on quality tools they like to buy cheap screw drivers and cheap pick set ( pick to open locks ), also cheap hole saws. Anyways, my personal picks I import them from either USA or Germany because I like quality it makes me happy to use my tools. When I got a Lenox made in USA carbide hole saw with like 30 or something little carbide tip on the jaws yes it did cost 80$ Cad compared to 25/30 $ for standard Milwaukee one. But Damn that thing lasted me almost a year! I was happy to use it! I think it’s a personal choice at the end. Yes I could buy wayyyy cheaper stuff and be good at what I do, but I take pride in my work and I’m even prouder when I use quality tools made in a free country where people are not overworked machine and where there are safety measures . Also my father always told me: "we are too poor to buy things that are cheap" it doesn’t translate well to English but in Quebec when we say "cheap" it means low quality and inexpensive.
A $20 pliers earned the same wages as a $120 pliers...
 
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I am not a millwright, but I work at least 3 locations for my job, either out of my box (447 pounds of stuff) or a carry bag. Hard to have every single tool for every occasion, but cover your basics with basics. If you are going to have a mortgage, make sure it is for a home not tools. What you buy today may or may not be relevant in a year or ten. You are what makes the bolt turn. You are who breaks a tap in the worst possible place and time and you are the one that hits the switch and gets the line running again.
Pay attention to your surroundings and take nothing for granted because it will bite you in the **** every time. You can rattle off any number of tool names and almost any one of them will do the job. Snap on and Starrett will not make you better at what you do today or tomorrow. That is up to you. What I am trying to say is be prudent, buy new or used, but do it with reason and cause. I personally do own some Snap on but it never goes to work with me. I can buy a set of decent wrenches on Amazon for less than a couple of name brand items would cost and guess what will get more work done? I have yet to break any of those pieces and on occasion I am not nice to my stuff. But I get the job done and I still get the assignments.
Good luck in your future endeavors.
 

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One thing worth keeping in mind- in an industrial setting, you tend to lose tools as often as break them. I've spent 17 years now working oilfield, pulp mills, and mining, and I've seen very few people use expensive wrenches and sockets on a daily basis. It's pretty common to drop a socket several floors below you, lose one in the engine bay of a haul truck, or leave something behind at the end of a long day and never go back to the same location. Sometimes the job requires you to take a grinder to a wrench or socket to fit it in a tight area, not something you want to do with snapon.

You might be best off using what you have for now, and replacing when you find out what tools you really need to be high quality.
 
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Are you finishing your program and registering as a first level apprentice? Do you have an apprenticeship lined up? What industry are you looking to get into?
Well at the end of the program we have a 3 week internship I still don’t know where I am gonna do it. Then once it’s over I will go to the millwright local 2182 to get into the construction field "big jobs like turbine’s"
 

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Well at the end of the program we have a 3 week internship I still don’t know where I am gonna do it. Then once it’s over I will go to the millwright local 2182 to get into the construction field "big jobs like turbine’s"

If you're getting close to completing your program I would start contacting businesses and sending out resumes. I did a similar program a couple of years ago and I was able to get a job before I finished, most of my classmates were hired at their practicums or found work right away.

How long will you have the discounts for? I would hold off on any big purchases for now, especially if you don't have an apprenticeship lined up. To me one of the pros of this trade is the wide variety of industries and work environments, you don't want to burden yourself with expensive tools that you'll never use. When it comes to tools I personally value bang for your buck, I've done a lot of work with cheap stuff just fine and have slowly upgraded through the years. Start with mid tier stuff and upgrade the tools you use a lot or end up breaking.

I've purchased stuff from Wiseline and Mississauga Hardware when they have sales. Buying stuff across the border or using a parcel service is another good idea since you're so close, Home Depot and Acme in the US have really great deals all the time, Toolguyd posts about them frequently. I use Camelcamelcamel to track price history and to set up price drop alerts on Amazon, it's great for stuff that you don't need right away. Don't be afraid to buy used either, I've gotten almost all of my Snap On tools that way.

Here is what I use:
-Williams, Proto and other industrial lines are the way to go. The Williams ratcheting screwdriver, US made sockets and screwdrivers are pretty much identical to the Snap On equivalents. Definitely check out the tool truck equivalent thread too.
-Gray seems decent and mostly made in Canada, it does seem expensive for what you're getting though.
-Mayhew is my go to for punches and pry bars, great quality for a decent price.
-Same for Bondhus hex keys, Princess Auto has them on sale occasionally. Wera for more specialized applications.
-I can't justify buying most of Snap Ons stuff new, they do have some stand outs that are absolutely worth the money.
-Sockets are something you can get by with mid tier, I have Gearwrench mostly but Tekton seems to be well liked. Sunex for impact sockets is another one. You might end up only needing SAE or Metric.
-Screwdrivers are down to personal preference, Wera, Vessel and Williams are my go to. Wera and Apex for bits.
-I really like my Snap On F80 ratchets, lots of options here though. I have a lot of Gearwrench but Tekton seems like the better option now.
-Wrenches will depend on your usage, I've gotten by with cheap sets if I can just use the box end. I would get a good set if you end up using the open end or working on hydraulic lines a lot. I have a mix of Mastercraft Maximum and Stahlwille, I am looking to branch out.
-I've used my Knipex pliers wrenches and Cobra wrenches a lot, the Twingrip pliers have saved the day more than once.
-Tsunoda pliers are high quality for a decent price, Lee Valley has NWS if you want to try them out in person. My Channellock stuff isn't that great for the price.
-Adjustable wrenches get a lot of usage in maintenance. Irega made ones are good, I do want to check out Lobster (Lobtex) next.
-Lots of options for locking pliers, Lee Valley carries Grip On. The Milwaukee and HF equivalents have been surprisingly good. The new Vise Grips have been disappointing.
-Estwing for hammers mostly, Princess Auto has Osca hammers on sale from time to time. It's a hunk of steel, the cheap ones will do for a while. I do need to get better dead blow hammers though.
-Olfa for knives
-Makita and Bosch for corded tools, Milwaukee for cordless but DeWalt is another good option. I've used my M12 stuff quite a bit along with the M18. It's all about the ecosystem, see what other tool offerings each brand has. Home Depot and other retailers in the US have great sales. I haven't been too impressed with most of the Milwaukee hand tools though.
-Any of the budget brands would do for beginner machinist measuring tools. Breaking a dial indicator because you hammered on a part without lifting the plunger hurts less when it's an Asimeto vs a Mitutoyo.
-Don't skimp out on good boots, insoles, gloves and PPE. The work is going to be tough on your body and you need to take care of yourself for the long haul.
 
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I am Local 1460 over here in Alberta. Welcome to the trade and more so the International.

Worked a few jobs where tools were required. And only stuck to Mastercraft as it’s amazing how coworkers will steal a tool so I kept Mine best bang for the buck.

now I am embedded in at Canadian Fertilizer, Medicine Hat…..none of my plant supplied tools are any better than Westward.
 

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I am Local 1460 over here in Alberta. Welcome to the trade and more so the International.

Worked a few jobs where tools were required. And only stuck to Mastercraft as it’s amazing how coworkers will steal a tool so I kept Mine best bang for the buck.

now I am embedded in at Canadian Fertilizer, Medicine Hat…..none of my plant supplied tools are any better than Westward.

So much for brotherhood. Lol.

Thanks to an Apple Air Tag, one of my bags didn't get far. That and video footage, ensured the knucklehead was no longer employed.
 

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I don't remember ever seeing a millwright on any of the big industrial jobs I was on back in the day with snap on tools,unless you're in some nice/clean production plant .
I'd find out where you're going to be doing most of your work before you let the tool man get his hooks in to ya.
 

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I saw a millwright with a Snap-on ratchet on Friday or Saturday.

Most millwrights and ironworkers have Wright or SK for their 18”ish 1/2” drive ratchet.
 
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