New Snap on ratchet

[Fedwrench]

http://www.snapon.com/whatnext/

It may look like a FH747 roto ratchet but, what's different about this new ratchet is that it has 100 teeth. Snap on also has an ad in the August issue of PTEN magazine talking about it. I guess this is Snap on's response to the new 88 tooth ratchets coming out this month from Matco. Let the ratchet wars continue.

 

[X1 Mike]

This could get expensive.

 

[plinker]

I'd say about time. Seems like everybody else has fine tooth versions

Hopefully they make a replacement head kit for a TM738.

 

[paramudduck]

Nah just wait a few months and buy the old styles from people who've upgraded.

 

[Monte]

sweet ! Wonder when Matco will introduce the 102 teeth ratchet

 

[superautobacs]

So what's the difference between a 80, 88, 100 toothed ratchet? Negligible, short of bragging rights and user's ego?

 

[r6_cannibal]

Nah just wait a few months and buy the old styles from people who've upgraded.

That's exactly what i'm waiting for. A flood of d80's on ebay for maybe less than 30 bucks? I can remain hopeful at least

 

[BB26]

So what's the difference between a 80, 88, 100 toothed ratchet? Negligible

Anything over 72 is not really noticeable or all that beneficial. Just "oneupsmanship" ratchet wars between Matco and Snap-On.

 

[Adam McLaughlin]

Anything over 72 is not really noticeable or all that beneficial. Just "oneupsmanship" ratchet wars between Matco and Snap-On.

Let the games begin!

Adam

 

[Moose-LandTran]

F**k the 100-tooth ratchets. Bring the hard handles back.

 

[wreckercologist]

Nah just wait a few months and buy the old styles from people who've upgraded.

my dealer is running a special this month on ratchets. I told him I'm interested in any "936" trade-ins he gets.

 

[billymade]

I'm thinking that these round heads were already ready fine tooth, with a tooth count of 49 for the swivel head and 72 for the regular round heads; it was just time to redesign these. I'm pretty sure these designs have been around for quite awhile.... can anyone confirm the tooth count on their old round heads? The counts I looked up were for the 3/8" drive models.

 

[Diesel-Mech]

Round heads don't excite me much but its cool to see new stuff coming out. I am excited that the new 88 tooth guts for the new MATCO ratchets will fit in the old 60 tooth ratchet body's.

 

[Monte]

The war already has been lost before it began

144 teeth

nano ratchet

 

[Fedwrench]

So what's the difference between a 80, 88, 100 toothed ratchet? Negligible, short of bragging rights and user's ego?

A couple of degrees in movement before engaging another tooth, which in a confined area might be a good thing. 60 teeth gets a new tooth every 6 degrees, 72 teeth 5 degrees, and 88 teeth gets one 4 degrees. I'm happy with anything over 45 teeth depending on head thickness. I don't care for 30 or 36 tooth ratchets regardless of whose name is on the ratchet.

 

[bchee]

Where did you get the 100 tooth info? PTEN?

There's no info on the snap on site about it.

Also, the low profile RAF80 is not pictured on their dual 80 page.

 

[Diesel_Crawler]

F**k the 100-tooth ratchets. Bring the hard handles back.

Here here, This man should be listened to!

 

[Moose-LandTran]

I'm thinking that these round heads were already ready fine tooth, with a tooth count of 49 for the swivel head and 72 for the regular round heads; it was just time to redesign these. I'm pretty sure these designs have been around for quite awhile.... can anyone confirm the tooth count on their old round heads? The counts I looked up were for the 3/8" drive models.

I think the Snap-on ones were 39- and 60-tooth. I have a couple of each, they're really nice smooth ratchets, for me i've never needed more, since two of mine are 1/4" stubby ratchets. (well, one has a 3/8" head)

 

[Flash21]

...I am excited that the new 88 tooth guts for the new MATCO ratchets will fit in the old 60 tooth ratchet body's.

Very cool, can't wait to order up the new guts.

 

[Flash21]

Here here, This man should be listened to!

How could Snap-On just completely ignore the opinion here and the very, very strong prices on ebay? Maybe they tossed the tooling and retooling is out of the question...

 

[bchee]

The war already has been lost before it began

144 teeth

nano ratchet

Hey Monte-
I checked the Triangle tools site. Where did you see 144 teeth? Did you calculate that?

Never heard of Triangle tools before. They have some interesting designs.

 

[Moose-LandTran]

How could Snap-On just completely ignore the opinion here and the very, very strong prices on ebay? Maybe they tossed the tooling and retooling is out of the question...

They still make some things with those handles. They're well aware of the demand, you can be sure of that.

 

[The Muffin Man]

72 teeth gives you a 5* swing angle

144 gives you 2.5*

 

[bchee]

by the way Proto has had a "90 tooth" ratchet for a long time, as discussed here
http://garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=34616
http://garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=38613
Apparently has 45 teeth, but 2 pawls. Not exactly sure how it works.


"The ratchets are 45 toothed. What makes them equivalent to having 90 teeth, is that there are two SETS of pawls inside. Each pawl set has 2 pawls. These pawls are timed, so that when one pawl is halfway through it's stroke, the other is engaged. The two pawls are never engaged at the same time. One pawl splits the other's stroke to the next tooth. This is how double pawl round heads achieve the 4 degree swing arc." - scottguehne

 

[superautobacs]

"The ratchets are 45 toothed. What makes them equivalent to having 90 teeth, is that there are two SETS of pawls inside. Each pawl set has 2 pawls. These pawls are timed, so that when one pawl is halfway through it's stroke, the other is engaged. The two pawls are never engaged at the same time. One pawl splits the other's stroke to the next tooth. This is how double pawl round heads achieve the 4 degree swing arc."

And that's how the '144-tooth' works, too.

 

[pjcforpres2020]

I would much rather have a double pawl 40 something tooth ratchet than a 100 tooth ratchet. They will be more durable and stronger.

More teeth= Smaller teeth= Less material per tooth= less wear and tear it can handle.

 

[fordracing200]

I just bought a whole set of D80s too

 

[bchee]

And that's how the '144-tooth' works, too.

superautobacs - is that your nano ratchet? Or did you find it online?
How smooth is it?

 

[superautobacs]

More teeth= Smaller teeth= Less material per tooth= less wear and tear it can handle.

And in the case of round heads, the teeth are part of the handle itself, so it's not even serviceable...short of a full replacement.

And I also think that the more teeth there is, the more drag/resistance there is.

superautobacs - is that your nano ratchet? Or did you find it online?
How smooth is it?

'Borrowed' it from the internet. Monte has discussed this in that other thread, as well.
The user says there's more drag than a Facom round head and SO dual 80.
http://blogs.yahoo.co.jp/under_line_logo/38491856.html

 

[TruckTech]

Where did you get the 100 tooth info? PTEN?

There's no info on the snap on site about it.

+1

Did I miss something?

 

[wrenchr]

I want 10 I mean one

 

[Fedwrench]

Where did you get the 100 tooth info? PTEN?

There's no info on the snap on site about it.

If you look at pages 6 and 7 of the August 2009 issue of PTEN magazine, there is a two page ad from Snap on about this new 100 tooth ratchet coming soon.

If you don't have PTEN, you can read it online here,
http://www.readoz.com/publication/read?i=1017104&qs=cT1wdGVu

 

[wrenchr]

www.snapon.com/whatnext

 

[Fedwrench]

www.snapon.com/whatnext

Refer to post number one in this thread.

 

[Merkava_4]

F**k the 100-tooth ratchets. Bring the hard handles back.

Snap-on is due for another handle upgrade ... I don't know what's taking them so long.

 

[TruckTech]

If you look at pages 6 and 7 of the August 2009 issue of PTEN magazine, there is a two page ad from Snap on about this new 100 tooth ratchet coming soon.

If you don't have PTEN, you can read it online here,
http://www.readoz.com/publication/read?i=1017104&qs=cT1wdGVu

I see, the SO website is the same, but with no fine print at the bottom. Very nice.

 

[Garage_Mahal]

I would much rather have a double pawl 40 something tooth ratchet than a 100 tooth ratchet. They will be more durable and stronger.

More teeth= Smaller teeth= Less material per tooth= less wear and tear it can handle.

Not necessarily. It depends on how many teeth are engaged at one time. Four small teeth sharing the load can be significantly stronger than one large tooth.

 

[-B-]

F**k the 100-tooth ratchets. Bring the hard handles back.

Why you use you ratchet as a screw driver ?