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ChevyEFI

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You could always split the difference: Williams Taiwan
:D
Fair point since they do make both. OP, would you buy Willams Taiwan, or Tekton?

One way to separate two generally equal products is how readily you can replace one. Not warranty necessarily. But how easily can you drive nearby and just buy an 11mm on a Friday or Saturday? Or Prime. Or... the manufacturer's website? I don't want taiwan, but ability to go to Ace or HD and be home in 20 minutes... matters.

Another "I can't decide" fix is to look more, and find a feature that puts a decision over the top. The Milwaukee sets with sockets that have an outer square drive do more than round outer sockets. I have modified some sockets, in a rough manner, to have this feature. Why not have it across the board?
 

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Think about Home Depot Husky sockets. Apex made, like Gearwrench. They fit the nuts/bolts and turn them as good as any other. Individual sockets on the rack at affordable prices.
No qualms about hammering a socket onto a damaged fastener. Go get new sockets after I'm done ruining the old ones.
 

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It's not, or I would've gone to Harbor Freight and been done already. :)

I'm asking about sockets here. Like I mentioned in the original post, I already own a set of Williams USA sockets, and they've been great. I thought you were comparing Williams and Wright sockets, but since you don't own Williams sockets and I don't own Wright sockets, I guess neither of us is able to do that.
If I think their wrenches are mediocre, why would I believe the rest of the stuff they sell is different or better? Personally, I would take JH Williams (have those sockets & wrenches), but definitely not the new Williams.

Try a Wright socket set, it will impress you.
 

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The Williams USA sockets I have are considerably heavier than comparable vintage (as in old) USA made Craftsman sockets. The Williams stuff is much newer.

The broach on the deep Williams sockets is not as deep as the Craftsman sockets I have. Hasn't seemed to make using them any more difficult.

USA made tools will almost always cost more. When I was looking for sockets to add, Williams was a better value for me than Snappy or SK. I don't have a Snappy driver stopping over every week, so their warranty is not a consideration.

When I put together a set of basic tools to have in a vehicle, limited use for repairs or assembly, and I didn't want to dump a bunch of coin on it, I hate to admit that I went to Menards and got their Masterforce stuff. The same stuff in Williams was way way more money and I couldn't justify it for limited use. I can easily warranty broken stuff as long a Menards is around.

I am much more willing to buy the Williams stuff for home use where I have more control over it. When I bought most of my Craftsman stuff, I couldn't afford Snappy then, either.

I might convert some of my service stuff to Williams, but at the time, I thought I lost a bunch of stuff and had to replace it right away.
 

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I own Tekton, SK, new Craftsman, Wright, Proto, Ko-ken, and Carlyle socket sets. Are you using this set every day?

Tekton: heavy; small size markings; deep broaching; excellent chrome finish; tight fit on bolts; nice, uniformed detents; radius on the corners of the square drive causes the sockets to wiggle on cheaper ratchets. Would rate 8/10. Overall I really like my Tekton sets but the larger sockets can get quite heavy and unwieldy.

Wright: can’t really explain it but the sockets feel light even though they are as heavy as all the others; ok size markings but my set is very uneven so some have deep stamping while others are barely visible, deep broaching; so-so chrome finish as there are several chips or missed spots on a few sockets; tight fit on fasteners; detents are shallow and not uniform so some sockets sit really low on the ratchet while others sit high and tight. Would rate 6/10. I can’t get over the feel and for the money I paid I was expecting better. Other US brands are stronger choices IMHO.

Carlyle: light sockets probably because the design has material removed from the drive side of the socket; deep, uniform size markings but they are a pain to read because of where they are located; deep broaching; tight fit on fasteners; excellent chrome finish; unified detents for the ratchet anvil but they have the radius on the square drive so the sockets hang looser; overall height is quite tall for shallow sockets. Would rate a 8/10. They just jostle around on the ratchet which annoys me and the font of the size stamping makes kinda tricky to read. I personally don’t see why I’d continue buying Carlyle because the Tekton sets are of equal quality and much cheaper.

SK: heavier sockets; large, easy to red markings; shallow broaching; excellent fit on fasteners; the cutouts for the ratchet anvil are terrible- some are so shallow they don’t do anything while others are perfectly laid out; the sockets fit incredibly tight on the ratchet and there is zero wiggle. The finish is rough - I have missing chamfers, dings, metal filings stuck to the cutouts, flaking, and rust on the inside; plus I have several sockets with odd broaching so steel may be pushed into a mushroom effect. Would rate 8/10 - despite all the flaws my SK sockets feel, hold-up, and work awesome. I just hate that they are rather expensive.

The Ko-ken are my favorites but getting them quickly is not going to happen. My second favorite are the Taiwan-made Craftsman gun metal chrome sockets. Nice weight, deep broaching inside and the sizes are stamped very deep and are clearly defined. Too bad they aren’t sold individually.

I personally feel like the Asian manufacturers have sockets down pretty well and that there really isn’t much of a difference to justify the US made prices overall. Plus sockets are a wear item so you have to think about value per dollar even if you don’t want to now. If I had to pick a US set I’d probably go with Proto just because they have been the most consistent with quality (not great but acceptable) and their sets are pretty affordable cause tons of places sell them so you can shop prices.
 
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Buy black oxide or impact sockets and never worry about flaking chrome again.

I own truck brand sets, Tekton is my go to in chrome.
 

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Gonna order a new set of 3/8 drive, metric, 6-point chrome sockets. I had pretty much decided on the Williams USA 20 piece set, when my son and I were looking at Tekton’s site for some other tools. I looked at their equivalent set, and it is $45, vs $93.** being the best price I found for the Williams.

I own sockets from both companies, and both have been good to me. I like to purchase USA- made products when possible, but are they worth 2x the money? I’m really on the fence here...give me a push to one side or the other, would ya? 🙂
Just go buy a set of Husky, Kobalt or Craftsman. Buying made in the USA isnt really worth it because steel is steel and because they dont pay the people who make the tools a fair wage anyways.
Den Of Tools did a comparison video on the wages that SBD is offering at their new tool plant in Texas vs what you could making working at HF, Lowes or HD. As someone who has worked in manufacturing for the past 23 years, I can tell you that if they offered me that kind of money to work casting and plating sockets and wrenches, I would polietely pass on it.
You might say, "yeah but at least its US jobs and its better than them being made in China." Is it though? The reasons why we have people who are struggling to get by and a shrinking middle class isnt because there arent jobs, its because theyre arent good paying jobs that have good benefits. I get no comfort from buying made in the USA tools when I know that people arent being paid fairly for their work.
 

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5 minutes ago I decided for myself: Williams MSB-20HRC.

I wanted a new set to replace my aging Craftsman stuff, I figure I use 3/8ths 90% of the time, I like having a wide-spread of sockets in that size (I added to my Craftsman set to get there) and I just wanted Williams more.

Does that help any?

I am in no rush to spec out my toolbox with Williams USA for 1/4", 1/2", 6pt, 12pt, long and deep - but the fact that I use 3/8ths so much put me over the top.
 

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Fair point since they do make both. OP, would you buy Willams Taiwan, or Tekton?

One way to separate two generally equal products is how readily you can replace one. Not warranty necessarily. But how easily can you drive nearby and just buy an 11mm on a Friday or Saturday? Or Prime. Or... the manufacturer's website? I don't want taiwan, but ability to go to Ace or HD and be home in 20 minutes... matters.

Another "I can't decide" fix is to look more, and find a feature that puts a decision over the top. The Milwaukee sets with sockets that have an outer square drive do more than round outer sockets. I have modified some sockets, in a rough manner, to have this feature. Why not have it across the board?
Serious question.....everyone on here likes to talk about how fast the can replace a socket....honest question how many of us only have one socket
 

Al Borland

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Serious question.....everyone on here likes to talk about how fast the can replace a socket....honest question how many of us only have one socket
Well, umm, Hey now...
Cut that out!!!
That's not Garage Journal thinking!
 

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Fair enough. My take is that manufacturing sockets that adhere to standards like ANSI, DIN, JIS is a solved problem, and not difficult or expensive in todays world.

I'd be dubious about claims of initial tolerances (by feel), because, well, tolerances. Both the socket and fastener have their tolerance, catch both on the opposite side of the scale of each other and two sockets from the same manufacturer might seem 'tight' or 'loose' depending on the luck of the draw. OTOH, if you get out your calipers and a socket is out of tolerance, that's a defect.
All good points. With off-corner loading designs, caliper measurements are useless. It's apples and oranges.

No "feel" involved. I've been using the same fastener and measuring axial deflection within open end wrenches/sockets. This gives you a repeatable angle which can be measured. Been amazed that a Snap-On, dated coded to the mid-80's with known history of flat-rate, performed better than a brand new Tekton. Plus there's consistency in heat treatment that makes a difference in higher end stuff.

I'm a professional researcher, and I totally appreciate that these are not scientific tests by any means... but I wanted to see where the value is. In some places, I was satisfied.... in others, not so.

Bottom line. Tekton is silly good value for what you get.

-Ryan
 
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