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I don’t care for them.

I prefer wood over any other handle material for shop/ball pein hammers.
Actually, I prefer metal for larger ball peens (typically used for whaling on stuff). I think fiberglass makes sense for big heavy hammers, like sledges.

Carlyle had really good Taiwan ones; I also snagged 2 USA Craftsman (Vaughan I assume) w/ the anti vibe + forged design for if I ever lose (since it seems indestructible) the Carlyle one.
 
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Craftsman did the same thing, some of the OGs around here may remember the Craftsman branded Knipex Cobras we all went nuts for.
That was my first set of Cobras, and I still have them :D

However, Craftsman had a huge store presence in Sears (and name/following) as a private label.
 

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am I the only one who prefers fiberglass handles or not really?
The only fiberglass handle I’ve used in the past decade or two was on a digging pick, and I had bo desire after that to use fiberglass on smaller hammers.
If I want stiffness and the hammer type is available, ai would go Estwing, and for other uses wood.
 

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A fiberglass handle is a lot easier on my old RH elbow than my all steel Estwings.
 

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Companies like Tekton don't have in-house designs, they pick up whatever they can get some suppliers around the world by first starting with an opening bid. Germany, Japan, USA, China, Taiwan are common go-to's for Tekton. Quality is quickly becoming a moot point now unless we are buying old stock from decades ago.

Tekton isn't solely a re-brander; they manufacture some products, of their own design, in Michigan: crowfoot wrenches, service wrenches, angle wrenches, mini-prybars and hooks, and maybe something else that I can't think of.
 

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^^^^ You posted a lot of business opinion in the FLEX thread ....



Anyways, I'm saying they picked an obscure hammer manufacturer for higher margins, not to support US tool manufacturing. Can't sell a rebranded Vaughn for twice what someone can get it for on any number of websites easily.

That was a thread specifically started to discuss Flex dying out in the US- a business-related discussion.

I thought this thread was supposed to be a discussion about new hammers, but half of it is a COO *****-fest about how they're (gasp) made in Germany (oh the horror), and not the US.

As you said, there's no reason for Tekton to sell Vaughn hammers as they're readily available. It's not like Tekton rebranding Vaughn is going to revitalize the tiny US hammer manufacturing industry. Like all businesses, Tekton is in business to make money; competing with Home Depot isn't typically how you do that, so they're offering some products that aren't common in the US like German made NWS pliers, Witte screwdrivers, and German made hammers.
 

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^^^^ You posted a lot of business opinion in the FLEX thread ....



Anyways, I'm saying they picked an obscure hammer manufacturer for higher margins, not to support US tool manufacturing. Can't sell a rebranded Vaughn for twice what someone can get it for on any number of websites easily.
Yes you can, you just put a different brand name on the hammer, or do something slightly different.
Tumble polishing Vaughan hammer heads, then bluing the heads, then mounting the heads on oiled wood handles, would presumably be possible, while still bulk purchasing the hammer heads and handles from Marshalltown/Vaughan, with the only extra steps being oiling the handles, and mounting the hammer heads.
 

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I guess this is the Tekton thread. I saw coming soon for extra shallow and semi deep 6 point sockets. Any idea on timeframe?

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Tekton is such a small volume distributer, they don’t have the purchasing power to get pricing or any influence over their supply chain. Their marketing is good though.
 

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Tekton is chasing after ill-informed consumers that don't know the origins of where most tools come from. A typical consumer will see a "Made in Germany" stamp and quickly jump to conclusion that it is high quality when in reality, this statement does not always hold true especially when now many German tool companies are sourcing metals and other materials from other parts of the world.
Your statement can be rewritten and the words "Germany , German" replaced with " USA " and it'll be true.

Also , is steel from other parts of the world bad ?
 

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Your statement can be rewritten and the words "Germany , German" replaced with " USA " and it'll be true.

Also , is steel from other parts of the world bad ?
Well about the steel, the answer is I think at some places do steel better than others. You would like to think that if the mixture is specified, it should mean that the ingredients are roughly the same anyway, but then there's this nasty thing called heat trait. I do believe that buck knives will have a different heat treatment for the USA made knives and they're Chinese made knives because they're not willing to share the heat treatment because the moment they do everyone in China will know it is the assumption.

Mostly I've worried about knives and steel and there are steel recipes that are not necessarily known to people outside the US. But I think that's not going to be super relevant for the context here because usually they say things like this is S2 or CRV. And I'm assuming that the basic recipe on those is probably pretty well known. I just lack the expertise to say that S2 made in one country would be better or worse than us to or another. But I do know for certain that the heat treat could be very different

I do believe someone was talking about quality from things made in China. And when I say China, I mean it generically and it could mean Taiwan. But when I heard it they just specifically said China and this was quite some time ago. And the government was that it's not that they can't do things well. It's that they may not do things well if they're not given proper oversight for quality control. So this particular company stated that they kept people on site to oversee the quality control to make sure that things came out at the level they wanted them. How this was a while ago and my memory could be somewhat fuzzy but I think the company might have been saw-stop. But that could just be a total fabrication of my brain.
 
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Just to pile on here, but Tekton used to be decent quality and affordable, or at least reasonably priced....I had added a few tools from them here and there over the years and was happy.

Every time I go and look at their tools now, I'm shocked, and don't get it...I can go buy the original OEM brands of the same tools for less. I mean, ya, the stuff they're selling now with a lot of the line up is top tier, but it's just rebranded and marked up, so there's no point anymore.
 

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Your statement can be rewritten and the words "Germany , German" replaced with " USA " and it'll be true.

Also , is steel from other parts of the world bad ?
With hammers, I would suspect part of the determination for quality is actually the heat treating method.
Vaughan uses electrical induction to heat treat the hammer faces, although the steel has a nice “clink” sound directly after forging, so the steel is likely high quality as well. (Similar to what is used for heat treating many plier jaws and cutters)
Estwing uses a liquid salt bath method for heat treating. (Which I suspect might be better), and old photos ftom Vaughan seem to show this as bring used in the past, although I thought Vaughan might have also been using salt baths for some of their other hammers based on video I had seen.
I don't know what Picard uses.
 

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With hammers, I would suspect part of the determination for quality is actually the heat treating method.
Vaughan uses electrical induction to heat treat the hammer faces, although the steel has a nice “clink” sound directly after forging, so the steel is likely high quality as well. (Similar to what is used for heat treating many plier jaws and cutters)
Estwing uses a liquid salt bath method for heat treating. (Which I suspect might be better), and old photos ftom Vaughan seem to show this as bring used in the past, although I thought Vaughan might have also been using salt baths for some of their other hammers based on video I had seen.
I don't know what Picard uses.
 
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With hammers, I would suspect part of the determination for quality is actually the heat treating method.
Vaughan uses electrical induction to heat treat the hammer faces, although the steel has a nice “clink” sound directly after forging, so the steel is likely high quality as well. (Similar to what is used for heat treating many plier jaws and cutters)
Estwing uses a liquid salt bath method for heat treating. (Which I suspect might be better), and old photos ftom Vaughan seem to show this as bring used in the past, although I thought Vaughan might have also been using salt baths for some of their other hammers based on video I had seen.
I don't know what Picard uses.
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With hammers, I would suspect part of the determination for quality is actually the heat treating method.
Vaughan uses electrical induction to heat treat the hammer faces, although the steel has a nice “clink” sound directly after forging, so the steel is likely high quality as well. (Similar to what is used for heat treating many plier jaws and cutters)
Estwing uses a liquid salt bath method for heat treating. (Which I suspect might be better), and old photos ftom Vaughan seem to show this as bring used in the past, although I thought Vaughan might have also been using salt baths for some of their other hammers based on video I had seen.
I don't know what Picard uses.

Both salt bath and induction heat treatment can be done well or poorly. Induction is generally preferred in mass production, as it's faster and uses less energy. Salt bath has the advantage of being able to treat anything you can fit in the bath, while induction can require part specific coils. Induction also has advantages for differential treatments -- you might want the face of a hammer hardened different than the back, and that's much easier with induction, and you might be able to do both at the same time, which further reduces time and handling requirements.
 

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Just to pile on here, but Tekton used to be decent quality and affordable, or at least reasonably priced....I had added a few tools from them here and there over the years and was happy.

Every time I go and look at their tools now, I'm shocked, and don't get it...I can go buy the original OEM brands of the same tools for less. I mean, ya, the stuff they're selling now with a lot of the line up is top tier, but it's just rebranded and marked up, so there's no point anymore.

Seems like you’re paying for a warranty that the OEM wouldn’t offer. If they’re trying to target professionals, it makes some sense. On the other hand, with a product line that’s often in flux, it’s a bit of a gamble to buy something like these hammers with the expectation that they’ll still have them for warranty in more than a few year.
 

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On the other hand, with a product line that’s often in flux, it’s a bit of a gamble to buy something like these hammers with the expectation that they’ll still have them for warranty in more than a few year.
This is one of the biggest issues with them. You got somewhere between a 50/50 and a snowballs in hell’s chance of getting the same thing you originally bought in a year, let alone ten.
 

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Tekton is chasing after ill-informed consumers that don't know the origins of where most tools come from. A typical consumer will see a "Made in Germany" stamp and quickly jump to conclusion that it is high quality when in reality, this statement does not always hold true especially when now many German tool companies are sourcing metals and other materials from other parts of the world.
these hammers are made by habero...i mean it says enough about metals used and heat treatment process,top of the line here in europe,id take it over picard any day.
 

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Made it! Some hammer comparisons.....handle is FANTASTIC for stubby beating hammers, which is what I was looking for. Screw wedge thing is interesting, will see how it holds up but like the fact that you can tighten it I assume....I think I'll get a set or at least the bug one and let the animals at school have at them that's a real test.
seems like they are made by picard not by habero,but habero and picard are top 2.
 

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Both salt bath and induction heat treatment can be done well or poorly. Induction is generally preferred in mass production, as it's faster and uses less energy. Salt bath has the advantage of being able to treat anything you can fit in the bath, while induction can require part specific coils. Induction also has advantages for differential treatments -- you might want the face of a hammer hardened different than the back, and that's much easier with induction, and you might be able to do both at the same time, which further reduces time and handling requirements.
You can differentially heat treat hammer heads using salt baths.
Usually, the hammer heads are suspended from hooks thru the eye, and each face is separately dipped.
I’ve seen video of it being done, which I thought might have been older video from Vaughan, but maybe Vaughan changed their process, or uses a different process for different head types, or maybe I have the manufacturer wrong.
I think Estwing just dips the entire upper portion of the hammer, above were the handle tang is located.
I know there must be chipped Estwing hammers out there, but I don’t see them much.
I have personally chipped a chunk out of an MOB hammer from France, by hitting the corner of the rectangular face of the hammer on an anvil due to an errant strike.
MOB uses induction hardening from what I recall.
I presume steel differences also might come into play, but that is harder to check for.
 

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This is one of the biggest issues with them. You got somewhere between a 50/50 and a snowballs in hell’s chance of getting the same thing you originally bought in a year, let alone ten.
While I agree the possibility is there, can't that same thing be said about anything with a "lifetime warranty" from any company?
 

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While I agree the possibility is there, can't that same thing be said about anything with a "lifetime warranty" from any company?
Absolutely can, and thats part of the gamble. You just have to figure out where to place your bets.

Tekton has a pretty well established record of product line musical chairs.

If I buy a Trusty Cook or Vaughan or Estwing hammer, I know that if I need to replace it, I will be getting the same. It might look a little different, but it will be a known quantity.
 

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okay so.... where do we get those snazzy leather-handled numbers at? :unsure:

for example:

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^ For that kind of money, I want my hammer in a presentation gift box!
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