My observation about using it in "clean" environments wasn't a commentary on the durability of the ratchet as a whole or its components. I just think that the benefits of the ratchet are most applicable to fasteners typically found in those environments, and to fasteners that are very low friction since they are not gunked up and corroded.
New Wera Zyklop
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My observation about using it in "clean" environments wasn't a commentary on the durability of the ratchet as a whole or its components. I just think that the benefits of the ratchet are most applicable to fasteners typically found in those environments, and to fasteners that are very low friction since they are not gunked up and corroded.
I was joking that maybe wera used some sort of super material from outerspace or star trek that was stronger and still had the hole,
I figured they would be weaker, but seriously you would think the star tips would be the weakest part and not sure if that has an impact because of the hole or not, but I could see it being a little bit weaker, but I still hope the fact that it is wera maybe it would still be better than we both expect.
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I think the tamper hole on a WERA is a non issue, I see it as a plus. I can't imagine a screw holding up to the torque it would take for the bit to fail. You'd twist the head off of most any fastener before you broke the bit because of the little material milled out of the center.
I'll submit some images here..
I've had the Zyklop since 06/09. I use it and other Wera products in an industrial environment. The selector has held up well as have the Kraftform handles.
In the one image, you can see that I damaged the freewheel sleeve. It still spins fine, however. That image also has a close up of the handle. The Kraftform handle cleans up pretty well when you use a good degreaser. I clean them when they are totally covered in grease, oil, or other gunk. Most of the time though I just put them back in the box. The ink seems to hold up better on the ratchets as compared to the screwdrivers.
The ratchet has defined locking positions. The detent ball is pretty strong, as it has left marks where it locks.
I also included an image of some other misc Wera products. The plastic sleeve on the SPKL hex keys has been worn in some places but the Hex-Plus almost doesn't look worn. I've had the hex keys since 04/08.
Hope you enjoyed.
I've had the Zyklop since 06/09. I use it and other Wera products in an industrial environment. The selector has held up well as have the Kraftform handles.
In the one image, you can see that I damaged the freewheel sleeve. It still spins fine, however. That image also has a close up of the handle. The Kraftform handle cleans up pretty well when you use a good degreaser. I clean them when they are totally covered in grease, oil, or other gunk. Most of the time though I just put them back in the box. The ink seems to hold up better on the ratchets as compared to the screwdrivers.
The ratchet has defined locking positions. The detent ball is pretty strong, as it has left marks where it locks.
I also included an image of some other misc Wera products. The plastic sleeve on the SPKL hex keys has been worn in some places but the Hex-Plus almost doesn't look worn. I've had the hex keys since 04/08.
Hope you enjoyed.
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the spyder
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Thanks for the photos, I just started to use my Wera stuff today. Good to see it will last several years in a tough environment.
A few are on clearance at Sears:
http://www.sears.com/shc/s/search_10153_12605?keyword=zyklop&x=0&y=0&vName=
This one looks like a pretty good price:
http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_00980887000P?keyword=zyklop
Still the ugliest tool currently in production. Looks more like a marital aid than a tool.
http://www.sears.com/shc/s/search_10153_12605?keyword=zyklop&x=0&y=0&vName=
This one looks like a pretty good price:
http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_00980887000P?keyword=zyklop
Still the ugliest tool currently in production. Looks more like a marital aid than a tool.
Stuey
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I don't think they're on clearance - I've been watching them for a few weeks, and the price hasn't dropped any further. I'm now thinking that *.88 prices are temporary reductions.
billymade
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When I worked @ Sears, .88 on the prices meant clearance... wether this applies to online sales... is anyone's guess! Too bad these weren't stocked in the stores; clearance prices seem to fall lower in the stores... I guess we should keep on eye on these! 
I looked at the link again and the 1/2 prices aren't that great because I had gotten chads to sell the 1/2 sc 2 kit for about 379.50 minus the 15% for around 322 and that set is all metric with all of the bits, that is the most expensive kit. Because I had them change the price, that is cheaper than the kit with out the bits. The 1/4 from chads is 62.37 and then you can get 15% off and if you spend over 200 free priority mail. Just trying to help a bro out.
I think these two are the same:
Sears @ $279.88
http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_00980887000P?keyword=zyklop
Chad's Toolbox @ $414.32
http://chadstoolbox.com/05003647001werazyklop12sc4.aspx
Granted, Chad's might price match to an even lower price and most of the other Sears items were not very discounted.
Sears @ $279.88
http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_00980887000P?keyword=zyklop
Chad's Toolbox @ $414.32
http://chadstoolbox.com/05003647001werazyklop12sc4.aspx
Granted, Chad's might price match to an even lower price and most of the other Sears items were not very discounted.
Stuey
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When I worked @ Sears, .88 on the prices meant clearance... wether this applies to online sales... is anyone's guess! Too bad these weren't stocked in the stores; clearance prices seem to fall lower in the stores... I guess we should keep on eye on these!
That's what I thought, but last week I saw a few *.88 prices on non-Craftsman tools jump back up to the respectice tools' full prices.
Well I got my first Wera Zyklops today in 3/8ths. I think the plastic looking pictures put me off for far too long as the thing is very well built. Indeed, the shear weight of it is almost a negative but first impressions are excellent. The quality, action, feel and application of the tool are first rate. We have snap-on at work but this feels so much nicer in the hand.
The negatives - well the only one so far is that it does not fit well with some brands of sockets. Using Halfords Pro sockets the fit is such that they wobble slightly when set on the ball retainer; when pushed past the ball they mate perfectly but the sockets don't want to sit this way. Facom sit much better but still have a slight wobble to them. Both are ok for nut & bolt work but I prefer a tighter lock-up when using bit attachments. I wonder how Wera sockets fit; do they fit flush to the ratchet or are they designed to have a slight flex to them?
The negatives - well the only one so far is that it does not fit well with some brands of sockets. Using Halfords Pro sockets the fit is such that they wobble slightly when set on the ball retainer; when pushed past the ball they mate perfectly but the sockets don't want to sit this way. Facom sit much better but still have a slight wobble to them. Both are ok for nut & bolt work but I prefer a tighter lock-up when using bit attachments. I wonder how Wera sockets fit; do they fit flush to the ratchet or are they designed to have a slight flex to them?
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superautobacs
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For a company that's only been in the business for turning inside fasteners for the past half century, they've done a good job with mass-producing their first set of tools to turn outside fasteners. That said, I agree with you on the loose fitting sockets and accessories. They didn't get the dimensions right at all. Things are quite wobbly at the connections.
dwm
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The wobble is the same as any of my other 3/8" ratchets with any of the sockets I own, with the exception of the EZ-Red SR38 which is an oddball ratchet.
The difference with the Zyklop is that the detent ball doesn't protrude as far. I believe this was intentional, to not push the socket to one side as hard so it spins better when using it as a spinner. With a shallower detent ball, the socket can remain more concentric with the fastener than it does on a ratchet with a detent ball that protrudes further.
The difference with the Zyklop is that the detent ball doesn't protrude as far. I believe this was intentional, to not push the socket to one side as hard so it spins better when using it as a spinner. With a shallower detent ball, the socket can remain more concentric with the fastener than it does on a ratchet with a detent ball that protrudes further.
superautobacs
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I should make it clear that I actually don't own any Wera sockets or ratchets, just a few 3/8" extensions. I've played around with the socket sets at tool stores though.
I don't experience the same amount of wobble with any of my other 3/8" socketry tools that I own.
Take the detent ball out of the picture...if the dimensions were correct, any attachment would be concentric to begin with.
dwm
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Re: New Wera Zyklo
All of my 3/8" ratchets' squares measure within .003" of each other. That includes the Wera Zyklops, Craftsman Pro and raised panel, Facom, Grey Pneumatic, Link Tools, Snap-On, Toptul, Gearwrench... even the lowly Pittsburgh Pros and Titans.
A socket is never concentric on a detent-ball or pin ratchet. If it was, you'd have a hell of a time getting the socket on and off and a quick-release version's button would be next to pointless (unless it had 4 balls). The wiggle is necessary.
All of my 3/8" ratchets' squares measure within .003" of each other. That includes the Wera Zyklops, Craftsman Pro and raised panel, Facom, Grey Pneumatic, Link Tools, Snap-On, Toptul, Gearwrench... even the lowly Pittsburgh Pros and Titans.
A socket is never concentric on a detent-ball or pin ratchet. If it was, you'd have a hell of a time getting the socket on and off and a quick-release version's button would be next to pointless (unless it had 4 balls). The wiggle is necessary.