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Newbie Epoxied Garage - Your Recommendations

retro12345

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Used rustoleum pro series since I heard bad things about the water based epoxies. Did not prep with the diamond grinder, but I did degrease several times, used muriatic acid, and etch. My request for assistance is that the final product coloring is very uneven. There are glossy and matte areas all over. I am OK with the surface not being smooth due to not grinding and patching, but is there anything I can do for the different coloring? I used 2 cans of rustoleum silver gray pro series with the antiskid powder, hand mixed. Should I add clear coat, or do I need to put another coat of epoxy... Are either of those an option since I've already flaked the epoxy. Thanks for helping this Newbie.
 

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I assume this is a coverage/absorption issue because you could have used more epoxy than you put down. Looks like the first time I put down epoxy and stretched it a little too thin. I'd live with it. Once everything is in there and it starts getting dirty, you won't notice so much. Or maybe you can sand it and reclear with flake to rejection. Or maybe someone who actually knows what they're doing will chime in.
 

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I used the Rustoleum Pro on my floor about two years ago. I went with two coats of epoxy and then two coats of clear. The first coat of epoxy looked similiar to your pics. The second coat made quite a big difference. As far as adding a second coat of epoxy over the flakes, you might want to call the Rustoleum technical hotline (888) 683-5667. They were very helpful when I did my floor.
 

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What you are experiencing is not that uncommon when applying a thinner one coat epoxy coating to a floor. One of two things usually causes this or a combination of both.

The concrete could have been more porous in some areas and absorbed more of the coating. This makes those areas thin and appear a different color because of the matte finish it creates. The other is caused from trying to stretch out the coating further than is recommended. Sometimes stretching it out is created from the concrete absorbing more as well. A second color coat would solve your issue.
 
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Thanks for the advice everyone. Is it OK to put another coat on even though there are flakes on the first coat? I painted the floor Sunday night, which means that I am nearing the 48 hr mark.
 
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Screen it well. You will sacrifice your flakes for the cause.

Next time use a primer for a more even look.


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Thanks for the advice everyone. Is it OK to put another coat on even though there are flakes on the first coat? I painted the floor Sunday night, which means that I am nearing the 48 hr mark.

This is an issue of the coating being thicker in some areas than in other areas. Bdamico and Shea talk about coverage issues. They are right on. They talk about stretching the coverage or differing porosity in the concrete. These are two very likely causes. The resolution, as mentioned already, is to apply additional coats of epoxy until you get even film coverage.

As to whether Rust Oleum would recommend applying the epoxy over the flake, I don't know. Call them. The several posts that I have read about this product where the applicator had problems, Rust Oleum was helpful to them.

Personally, I would have no problem coating over the existing flake with more pigmented epoxy and then reflaking. But for me I would do this if I had applied flake rather on the light side.

Regarding epoxy film coverage, the average person, including myself, first looks at the labels and thinks, "Okay, my garage is x square feet, so y kits will give me a professional epoxy floor." Digging deeper, that is not the case. With this product, about 1 gallon of total epoxy product comes in one kit. The percent solids is in the 60% range, if I remember correctly. So about 40% of the thickness of the product is lost to solvent off gassing. Now, add differences in porosity or simply a very porous floor overall, and the concrete "drinks up" the first application of coating.

If you don't have any bare (unpigmented) concrete areas on the floor, you might be able to get away with putting a couple coats of clear over this, which might even out the sheen. Several pros have recommended this in other posts. As Scotty from Legacy said, be sure to roughen the surface/knock down the existing flake with a screen.
 
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Awesome information everyone. Called up rustoleum and they said it was ok to paint over the flakes, so I'll give it a try. I'm using 1/2 nap rollers and painting in the 4x4 SQUARES with some overlap. It seems the overlap areas are where I seeing some of the discoloration. Is there a better method to do this that I'm missing? Thanks again everyone!

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Awesome information everyone. Called up rustoleum and they said it was ok to paint over the flakes, so I'll give it a try. I'm using 1/2 nap rollers and painting in the 4x4 SQUARES with some overlap. It seems the overlap areas are where I seeing some of the discoloration. Is there a better method to do this that I'm missing? Thanks again everyone!

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More than likely the shade difference in the overlap is due to the double coating. Basically you needed at least one more coat, maybe two, to even out the coloring. It will probably be more durable as well, so long as you do not get it too thick!
 

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If you are going to put another coat of epoxy on I would suggest you also do at least one coat of clear. It doesn't cost that much more and it will give you an extra layer of protection. If you do apply the clear I would suggest you add anti-slip as well (I used the Shark Grip and it works great). Clear without anti-slip will be like an ice rink. Also, when I applied the Rustoleum epoxy I found that trying to paint in 4x4 squares and then toss the flakes before moving on did not work so well. I did the entire floor and then put on a pair of spike shoes (easily made with a couple pieces of 1x4 and drywall screws) and walked across the floor to broadcast the flakes.

If you are interested in how the Rustoleum Professional Epoxy has held up you can read my review here: http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=204436
 
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Thanks again for the great advice. I went ahead with the second coat, and most of the unevenness is gone. There are still areas, but for the most I am happy with the results. I didn't put clear on since my garage faces a lot of direct sunlight since I heard about the discoloration from the sun. Here are the final pics

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Very nice! That looks a lot better!:thumbup:
 
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Thanks everyone. For anyone else hitting this issue, I altered my method with the kits. In the first attempt, I mixed the part B from both kits together per the instructions to keep a consistent color, but performed the implementation separately with 1 kit at a time. Even though I mixed the part B together there was still a color difference between the 2 kits. For the second coat I first mixed 12 oz of part A and B so I could paint all the edges. When I was done with that I mixed all of part A and B from both kits in a big bucket. Definitely helped out with the coloring. Next up... cabinets, shelves, and the fun stuff!

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Just a follow up on my progress with the garage. Thanks again everyone for the help. Since I painted the floors I've attached overhead storage, put in galvanized shelving, hung up some bike mounts, and a cabinet system. Almost done!
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That is looking very nice! What brand of cabinets are those and where did you get them? They're nice.
 
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Thanks. The cabinets were the NewAge Performance series from Home Depot. They were on sale for $999, but are now back to regular price. If you have a Sams Club membership, they are currently on sale for $999.
 
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All done. Final picture of the garage space

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The cabinets are the performance line and they're perfect for my needs. My nm latest edition to the garage are these large mirrors from home Depot and mounting the TV for the workout area.

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The cabinets are the performance line and they're perfect for my needs. My latest edition to the garage are these large mirrors from home Depot and mounting the TV for the workout area.

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