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Next step down from 100% solid epoxies

hobiecatter

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Hello all,

I have been lurking here for a while and learning lots of stuff.

I've read all about the 100% solids epoxy and how Superior it is to the other water based products. I am aware of how much thinner it is after applied.

Unfortunately my situation is that I need to pick something less superior. We are moving into a house that is about 6 years old. 2 1/2 car garage with no previous coatings on it. Still in really good condition from what I remember. We will have a small window to get all of the work done we need to do before moving in. The first thing on my list is putting down epoxy in the garage, but I only have a couple of days to do it (prep and paint). But the main problem is we are on a budget and cannot afford to get epoxy-coat, or any of the "real deals". I have tried to convince the wife, but we both agree that we do not need a show quality floor, just need something nice and cheaper and that will last a few years. If I decide to replace with solid epoxies later, I always have that option.

My father-in-law will be helping me lay it down and he has put down a few water based epoxy floors in the past. Of course he has no knowledge of the all solid epoxies, so he thinks the water based are just fine as he's had good experience with them. One of which he prepped the floor real good first and it still has not had any chipping or any problems after about 8 years. So he and my wife are convinced that water based will be fine for us. After some arm twisting, I had to agree to save the money and extra time applying and put it to wards some other resources.

Mind you, I know the best thing to do would be to wait until we can afford it and do it the right way, but this is the best time to do it since the house will be vacant for a week and I can get this all done before we move in if I move now. Also, I really don't use my garage for much other than parking in and occasional light work. I won't be doing anything in there that will be distressful on the paint other than occasional wet tire etc.

So my question is, what is the next best thing? Home Depot and Lowe's have a few different choices to pick from, but if you had to do a water based, which one would you pick? My father-in-law said when he did the one 8 years ago, they mixed it for him at the store by the gallon, so I guess he really only used paint without any epoxy??? So I probably want to at least steer clear of that I assume?

any opinions on which is the next best?

Thanks for your help.
 
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musgofasta

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At least get something that is a 2 part epoxy. My family has really had good success with the Rustoleum from HD - I believe it was about $100 for the kit. We've done 3 garages with it and have had really no problems to speak of.

Anything 2 part at least will be a true epoxy with much better properties than a single stage floor "paint".
 

munkey

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I stole this from a good post I saw on painttalk (professional painter's forum):

In order of performance:

1 100% Solids, Aliphatic Acrylic Urethane Topcoat or generic equal, including epoxy primer minimum 12-15 mils.

2 100% Solids, no topcoat (including epoxy primer and topcoat minimum 12 mils)

3 Solvent based Polyamide Epoxy

4 2 part water based amine epoxy ( Insul-x Garage Guard)

5 2 part water based polyamide epoxy

6 2 part acrylic epoxy big box kits

7 Single component epoxy esters

8 Urethane based alkyd floor enamel

9 Single component latex floor paint.
I think the solvent based epoxies are better if you're on a budget, but either way I would at least recommend you try to pick something up from your local Sherwin Williams or Benjamin Moore (etc.) If you find the right manager or salesperson, they will often get you a reasonable deal on one of their industrial 2-part coatings. Many of these are much better products than the big box store kits and are often comparably priced. You'll have to ask the employee since these products are usually kept "in the back" or otherwise separate from the regular retail items.
 

Edger

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I used to cover factory floors with a primer and two topcoats of 50% solids epoxy where they wanted a cheaper job and it lasted about 3 years in the high traffic areas where forklifts sped along and turned corners many tens of times a day. A garage would not see that wear in 100 years.

I cannot see why you could not find a solvent based 50% solids epoxy and give it two coats. The preparation is critical though, it must be a good job of acid etching, or diamond grinding or similar. Acid etching is not considered the best for commercial applicators, but it should be fine for a garage.
 
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tcianci

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Since your FIL has done this before, why not defer to him on the product selection since he has used it before and you have it as an example of how it stands up.
 
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hobiecatter

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Good question.

It was 8 years ago since he used it, and he doesn't remeber exactly which product he used. He ony knows for sure that he got if from one of the two Big Box stores, and that it came in gallon cans that he had them mix for him before he left. I am just assuming it is one of the cheap water based products as that is all they carry.

Which is good because it is cheap and stood up through the years for him. But I blame the Garage Journal for coming into my life a few months ago and I started getting more educated on epoxy paints. Initially I was like, oh no I am definitely getting a 100% epoxy. Now after looking at our budget and needs, I want something in between. I know the water based product held up for him, but I am just exploring my other options in getting something a little better without breaking my bank.

It may have stood up good for that garage he did, and I know he did a decent amount of prep on it, which I will too. But I also don't think that garage gets any use execpt parking cars on it occasionally. So it has me a little suspect. I just read where many people on here say to stay away from water based unless you don't mind seeing peeling in a couple of years.
 
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