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Nicked wires using Lineman's Pliers

sberry

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Matt, if you put a booger in it there is no reason not to fix it, I clip a little off and do it again. I just got done replacing a gfci now, clipped a little old wire off and made a new connection. Was no reason to leave a work hardened re twisted booger and was easier to start over anyway.
 
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Matt Wilson

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Matt, if you put a booger in it there is no reason not to fix it, I clip a little off and do it again. I just got done replacing a gfci now, clipped a little old wire off and made a new connection. Was no reason to leave a work hardened re twisted booger and was easier to start over anyway.

Yeah, that's what I ended up doing. Even though there's a very good chance that they would have been fine, I'm just not the type to leave things up to chance very much. So I went back up to the attic, removed the nuts, snipped off the damaged portions of the wire, re-twisted, snipped off the short length of damage that I had just caused by re-twisting, and then re-attached the nuts. In some cases, this meant I had to remove the plastic staples that were anchoring the cables just outside the j-boxes, in order to feed more wire into the boxes, but that's ok. I got more practice and my technique is better, and that never hurts. Plus, the main thing is I feel better about the whole thing.
 

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Why not take a dedicated pair of 9" pliers and smooth out the center portion of the jaws with a file or Dremmel? With the outer portion of the pliers still making contact they would still do most other jobs you use them for.

I see these for bigger work:

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Huh? What do Canon Plug pliers have to do with this thread?

also the nick from improperly used wire strippers creates a 'ring' cut around the wire.... a high potential failure point when vibration is present.

There's a reason I only use stranded wire where vibration may be present.
 

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Yeah, that's what I ended up doing. Even though there's a very good chance that they would have been fine, I'm just not the type to leave things up to chance very much. So I went back up to the attic, removed the nuts, snipped off the damaged portions of the wire, re-twisted, snipped off the short length of damage that I had just caused by re-twisting, and then re-attached the nuts. In some cases, this meant I had to remove the plastic staples that were anchoring the cables just outside the j-boxes, in order to feed more wire into the boxes, but that's ok. I got more practice and my technique is better, and that never hurts. Plus, the main thing is I feel better about the whole thing.

Yes, I don't mean to imply you shouldn't fix it, quite the contrary. I found some install I did a while back to my chop saw that was never right, probably did it in the dark and then wondered why I was getting funny readings etc,,, anyway,,, human error is a huge factor even with experienced men.

My point was that there was no need to wake up in a cold sweat. This is a big argument for single device circuits, in my mind its hard to beat an unspliced wire and all the more important in heavy loaded applications with dedicated equipment.

But twist I say no,, in a 3 way the conductors lay along each other and get wedged together with nothing to try to force them apart, the spring doesn't have to override a pre bend.
I try to make strips consistent length, its just easier to see that its going together right when the nut is applied.

I think a factor as to why the old times answer "not very much" may be in the nature of the loading. We got 10 x the stuff, most of the real loads are now shared over so many more circuits when everyone daisy chained from a 4 space fuse with a 30 in it to cover overload and some motor starts. A general use circuit can have wall worts and minor other loads, even a fridge runs 4A or so, it will run with a small air cond on a 20 which would approach being loaded and the fridge is not likely 100% but assuming no significant other load these usually serve a single appliance at a time. Running a vacuum comes to mind, in a shop a saw etc. They fully load a 15A circuit, often have a 14 cord like an air comp with a 15 end so they load this general 20 circuit about 80% or so.

When you are not actively running the saw or low loads like small battery charger or wall warts the wire isn't doing anything and when it is the real load is 15 not 20. A long run to an outdoor outlet for these type garages in this discussion is 50 ft even 75 or 100 and Bull wont save 50 cents power or wear and tear in a year if he upgraded wire to every outlet he owned for free.

Minimum code is 14 in many cases, no one including me thinks its good for much other than lights, at short distance wouldn't hurt the operation any or overheat the wire but the things are notorious for trips, And it also doesn't insult voltage drop to the host circuit as was pointed out in other threads.
 
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wyliesdiesels

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No, I do pre-twist. I was saying it's kind of rare to find a professional that does not.

O ok. I dont think u read the comments closely. Sberry was saying he doesnt pretwist and theoldwizard was saying that its nice to hear that a pro does it this way(regerring to sberry not pretwisting). And thats why i was confused!

It doesn't hurt much but I am not a fan of pre twist either. My hands are strong and can twist a nut on tight, right to putting a twist outside the nut where aint no way its coming apart. With a wing nut can knot 3 number 12 without a problem.

Nice to hear a pro does it this way ! My son was giving me **** for not pre-twisting !

Be glad you found one (or two). They're a pretty rare breed.
 

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When working hot, it's exciting to twist off a wirenut and find out the someone before you didn't twist the wires together. But I suppose it's equally as exciting to untwist solid live wires with your sidecutters, too.
 

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When working hot, it's exciting to twist off a wirenut and find out the someone before you didn't twist the wires together. But I suppose it's equally as exciting to untwist solid live wires with your sidecutters, too.

If theres no load going through the wires then there wont be any sparks!
 
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