Nohr S Polyurea vs TLPPC?

[HunterDan]

So I've pretty much narrowed down my choices between these two. And I wanted to get some of the groups input on which they would choose.

Over the winter we just finished up the shell of my 40x48 pole barn, brand new concrete floor (approx 4 months old), nothing has been driven in there yet, just some extra wood stored there over the winter. It was power trowl finished so it is very smooth. I will be using the barn basically as a shop, truck maintenance, detailing, etc. I need something to stand up to the abuse and be resistant to gas, oil, solvents, etc.

So I've narrowed it down to legacy's nohr s Polyurea, and garage flooring llc's TLPPC.

Each seem like they will do what I'm looking for. Although the nohr s, being rolled on, may be thicker (stand up to traffic better). The finish itself isn't a huge deal (matte, slight sheen, etc) I just don't want it super shiny.


Any input is appreciated, and pictures would be even better!

 

[Garage Flooring]

So I've pretty much narrowed down my choices between these two. And I wanted to get some of the groups input on which they would choose.

Over the winter we just finished up the shell of my 40x48 pole barn, brand new concrete floor (approx 4 months old), nothing has been driven in there yet, just some extra wood stored there over the winter. It was power trowl finished so it is very smooth. I will be using the barn basically as a shop, truck maintenance, detailing, etc. I need something to stand up to the abuse and be resistant to gas, oil, solvents, etc.

So I've narrowed it down to legacy's nohr s Polyurea, and garage flooring llc's TLPPC.

Each seem like they will do what I'm looking for. Although the nohr s, being rolled on, may be thicker (stand up to traffic better). The finish itself isn't a huge deal (matte, slight sheen, etc) I just don't want it super shiny.


Any input is appreciated, and pictures would be even better!

You are looking at two great products and to be fair the decision is really not which is a better product but what TYPE of product you need. I use car analogies a lot. You have basically asked if you should go with the Jeep or the Mustang. Very very different products and very different applications.

I don't sell NOHR-S but from what I have seen it is a high quality private labeled Polyurea. I would ask for some more specific chemical resistance testing based on your application. It is a coating. Relatively high solids and I would expect it would perform very well. Again the key here is you are going to prep and coat your floor.

TLPPC is a sealer NOT a coating. It has a urethane component that soaks into the concrete and then builds a slight film but for all intensive purposes it is a sealer and you would have to damage the concrete to affect its performance. It is very low solids --because we need it to penetrate-- and is designed for applications where it is going to get the **** beaten out of it and protection of the underlying substrate is of the utmost concern. It does have a key advantage over traditional penetrating sealers in that it does build sheen and even gloss with multiple applications. It is NOT a top coat and should not be purchased as one.

If you are looking to coat your floor with a clear, I would suggest Rust Bullet Clear. If I was using the floor the way you are using the floor my key consideration would be what do I want the outcome to be. Do you want a high gloss floor coating or do you want protection with some gloss.

 

[LegacyIndustrial]

This is a case of apples and oranges. Nohr-S Polyurea is in good company with Polyaspartic Coatings and Aliphatic Urethanes. Extreme resistance to UV, Wear and Chemicals. Originally, designed to survive in one of the harshest environments on Earth. The World's Oceans! Here are some shots...

 

[HunterDan]

And here I thought they were close to the same type of product. Shows how much I know.

So yes again, finish is not important. I want protection for the floor underneath

 

[LegacyIndustrial]

And here I thought they were close to the same type of product. Shows how much I know.

So yes again, finish is not important. I want protection for the floor underneath

Dan, I would then look at HD40 Concrete Stainguard or SilaxSeal if you want a penetrating product.

HD40 penetrates and leaves a film behind that increases the natural beauty of raw concrete.

Check this link for our install video:
http://www.legacyindustrial.net/hd40-concrete-stain-guard-product-video.html




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[Garage Flooring]

And here I thought they were close to the same type of product. Shows how much I know.

So yes again, finish is not important. I want protection for the floor underneath

Perfect. The TLPPC is great choice for this. The chemical and automotive fuel resistance is ideal for what you are looking for. We do densifiers and conditioners, and traditional sealers but that would not be the way to go IMHO

 

[HunterDan]

So the hd40 is comparable to the tlppc?

Is the burnishing required for the extra protection? Or just to get the gloss?

The tlppc, no burnishing is required correct?

I Also have small pads outside of my doors. I believe I saw the tlppc can be used on those to?

 

[LegacyIndustrial]

Dan: HD40 is the most requested product we have besides Nohr-S. It is easy to apply and gives you a huge bang for the buck. HD40 requires burnishing as you are placing a thin sealer over a smooth surface without etching or grinding.

The burnishing process heats the product, fusing it to the surface.

For exterior applications we recommend SilaxSeal.






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[BadMannerz]

Some really good info^^^^^^^^^

 

[Garage Flooring]

So the hd40 is comparable to the tlppc?

Is the burnishing required for the extra protection? Or just to get the gloss?

The tlppc, no burnishing is required correct?

I Also have small pads outside of my doors. I believe I saw the tlppc can be used on those to?

The two products are definitely not comparable. We sell a product that is 'very similar' to HD40 but this is not it. Not a question of better or worse, just different. As Scotty put it, Apples and Oranges

One is a concrete conditioner and the other is a urethane sealer. The official description of the concrete conditioner is "is a one component water based ultra small particle size self-crosslinking hydrophobic organic polymer and silane/siloxane designed specifically for use in the grind and polish of concrete/cement as a surface conditioner and stain guard to be applied before the final polishing step to increase long term performance, gloss and stain resistance. "

The concrete conditioner was originally marketed for use in grind and polish systems. Scotty has come up with a very nice way to use it to make floors that are power troweled have a very nice level of gloss.

The active ingredients in concrete conditioner (in general) are not designed to provide any permanent protection from chemicals, solvents and automotive fluids. They are designed to decrease penetration and resistance to moisture, road salts, etc.

TLPPC is specifically designed to seal the concrete, provide a gloss and provide chemical resistance. We list the chemical resistance characteristics.

While I can't speak for anyone else, I will say that our conditioner is a private label from a major industry manufacturer. We have chosen to make the original data sheet available here http://www.garageflooringllc.com/resource-center-docs/epoxy/TL40.pdf

At the end of the day, it comes down to what is best for you. If "abuse and be resistant to gas, oil, solvents, etc." is still your primary concern I would suggest the sealer I recommended, or the original suggesting from Scott or Rust Bullet clear if you are looking to do an actual coating.

Here is the chemical resistance on TLPPC direct from the plant

 

[webdrew]

This is a case of apples and oranges. Nohr-S Polyurea is in good company with Polyaspartic Coatings and Aliphatic Urethanes. Extreme resistance to UV, Wear and Chemicals. Originally, designed to survive in one of the harshest environments on Earth. The World's Oceans! Here are some shots...

Scotty,
What exactly has been done to the dark grey floor in the bottom picture? That's the look I want to accomplish. Brand new pad, 1100 square feet.

 

[LegacyIndustrial]

Not a thing. Diamond ground floors will typically turn a darker color than etched.
If you want a particular color check out our DeltaDye to be applied after the prep and before the coatings. Can use multiple colors if desired.

http://www.legacyindustrial.net/products/concrete-stain-and-dye/deltadye-concrete-stain.html