nonmetallic sheathed cable interconnector device

[billconner]

Anyone here used on of these? It's allowed by NEC 334.40(B). Debating the restrictions for when this is permitted. Note it changed a from 2011 and earlier editions in the 2014 edition. Hope to research NFPA committee records and see if I can find more but thought I'd ask.

 

[dave*99]

I saw 2 halves of a modular home interconnected with them.

 

[billconner]

I did more research on the code and specifically the changes in the 2023 edition. It appears to me that these are now (under 2023 edition of NEC) permitted in any place type NM cabling is permitted. I was a little surprised. I think these were originally designed as you say for modular home use.

 

[dave*99]

I would think they whole process of developing the part, getting UL approval and acceptance by code making bodies would be targeted at selling as many as possible into as many applications as possible.

So the "permitted in any place type NM cabling is permitted " would seem to be a goal set out during the development phase of the device.

 

[billconner]

I'm mostly ambivalent on these, would like to never have to use one, but perhaps 2 interesting points. (1) Unlike most components used in wiring a building with NM, where all those cc components are rated/tested for 600 volts, I have read to the test for these is 300 volts. (2) On the committee vote, the one negative ballot is the IBEW representative. That is interesting both ways - pro-labor or knows what happens in the field.

I'll guess there are a lot of jurisdictions that will amend these out.

Having trouble finding on on internet. Found 1 - $13.00 +s&h I think a box, cover, 2 screw connectors, and wire nuts cost a lot less.

 

[Norcal]

I'm mostly ambivalent on these, would like to never have to use one, but perhaps 2 interesting points. (1) Unlike most components used in wiring a building with NM, where all those cc components are rated/tested for 600 volts, I have read to the test for these is 300 volts. (2) On the committee vote, the one negative ballot is the IBEW representative. That is interesting both ways - pro-labor or knows what happens in the field.

I'll guess there are a lot of jurisdictions that will amend these out.

Having trouble finding on on internet. Found 1 - $13.00 +s&h I think a box, cover, 2 screw connectors, and wire nuts cost a lot less.

While I am not a fan of those, the IBEW is not a big fan of labor saving methods.

 

[Jim greengo]

I'm mostly ambivalent on these, would like to never have to use one, but perhaps 2 interesting points. (1) Unlike most components used in wiring a building with NM, where all those cc components are rated/tested for 600 volts, I have read to the test for these is 300 volts. (2) On the committee vote, the one negative ballot is the IBEW representative. That is interesting both ways - pro-labor or knows what happens in the field.

I'll guess there are a lot of jurisdictions that will amend these out.

Having trouble finding on on internet. Found 1 - $13.00 +s&h I think a box, cover, 2 screw connectors, and wire nuts cost a lot less.

Anything that cuts labor hrs is normally frowned upon by ibew in my experiance.

 

[mike93lx]

I'd have to be in a real pinch to use one of those. I'd much rather add a junction box or run a new piece of wire to either replace the damage or get to somewhere a junction box can be used.

 

[billconner]

I found a few more on line - Amazon is $26 and typical. I'm not sure how much labor they save but it would have to be a lot for me.

I looked at these when I had to move an exposed piece in basement joists. Had to cut and relocate on opposite side. Ended up 2 boxes and a piece of Romex and more work. It was tempting except my local inspector would not allow.

More at discussion on thebuildingcodeforum.com. Second to last post on second page is mine with code change history, including negative vote comments.

 

[Norcal]

I found a few more on line - Amazon is $26 and typical. I'm not sure how much labor they save but it would have to be a lot for me.

I looked at these when I had to move an exposed piece in basement joists. Had to cut and relocate on opposite side. Ended up 2 boxes and a piece of Romex and more work. It was tempting except my local inspector would not allow.

More at discussion on thebuildingcodeforum.com. Second to last post on second page is mine with code change history, including negative vote comments.

There is a loooooooooong thread there "A Average Day" showing **** by so-called "professionals" that is a eye opener, over 260 pages. https://www.thebuildingcodeforum.com/forum/threads/an-average-day.5233/

 

[billconner]

I don't look at that thread too often. I enjoy it because of my involvements in codes and standards development.

 

[wyliesdiesels]

There is a loooooooooong thread there "A Average Day" showing **** by so-called "professionals" that is a eye opener, over 260 pages. https://www.thebuildingcodeforum.com/forum/threads/an-average-day.5233/

Havent seen that one before.... i better not jump on there. Ill get sucked in lol

 

[sh944]

Yeah, thats a rabbit hole I occasionally visit as well…. I wish more of the “professionals” out in the field would do so, it’s amazing what passes for acceptable work some times.

 

[theoldwizard1]

I have used these a couple of time. Got my out of a tough spot ! Easy to use. No burned down houses. They also make a tap (3 wire) version.

Tyco NM splice

 

[Norcal]

Yeah, thats a rabbit hole I occasionally visit as well…. I wish more of the “professionals” out in the field would do so, it’s amazing what passes for acceptable work some times.

The ones who do the **** work do not care.

 

[dave*99]

I have used these a couple of time. Got my out of a tough spot ! Easy to use. No burned down houses. They also make a tap (3 wire) version.

Tyco NM splice

Link doesn’t work.

 

[Zeke]

Havent seen that one before.... i better not jump on there. Ill get sucked in lol

@Norcal is there.

 

[Zeke]

Link doesn’t work.

Try looking at TE connectors. I know a single wire WAGO saved me when I badly nicked a neutral in a box and had about an inch left.

 

[dave*99]

Try looking at TE connectors. I know a single wire WAGO saved me when I badly nicked a neutral in a box and had about an inch left.

I believe this is the part that was intended in the link.

Tyco Electronics Romex Splice Kit 3 Wire, 1/Clam CPGI-208169-2 - The Home Depot

Tyco Electronic's Non-metallic splice and tap kits provide a fast and reliable method for splicing or tapping 2 wire w/ ground and splicing 3 wire w/ground non-metallic cables up to 300 volts. They are

www.homedepot.com

 

[billconner]

Try looking at TE connectors. I know a single wire WAGO saved me when I badly nicked a neutral in a box and had about an inch left.

In a box. But these are no box - just a Romex splice in a wall or ceiling.