Norwegian workshop

[Mr.Deer]

Wow my first blogg!!
After reading the garage journal from start to end, i got inspired to write about my own project.

The garage is 6meters (20ft) wide x 8meters (26ft) long, and have a center height of 4,5meters (15ft). Garage door is 5,2mtr (17ft) wide x 2.6mtr (8,5ft) high.

The garage is built as an extention to the house.

The building of house and garage started autum in 2008 and was completed in spring 2009, but the completion of the garage has naturaly been postponed due to other "more important projects" according to my wife..

But now "i am back in business"

 

[Mr.Deer]

During the build in 2008..

 

[Pappa Ugg]

Congrats on the new space and welcome...

 

[SteelArt]

Welcome ..

wow that is a lot of height for a 2 bay attached.

 

[1969]

Welcome , this is a pretty good place to spend some time.

 

[ghnl]

Welcome! Now tell us what interesting things you have planned for inside the garage.

 

[Falcon67]

That's very good. Must be built from Norwegian wood.

 

[344chief]

Looks good.. and spacious (envy)


Living in Larvik, some 5 hours from your place

 

[onewaydave]

Now seriously, you can't just drop in and post and let us see one picture of an essentially finished garage build and ....

What I'm asying is, let us see more. And some comments on that stuff up on the roof, and what's inside, and how you did it,... Please.

Dave.

 

[thomfr]

Now seriously, you can't just drop in and post and let us see one picture of an essentially finished garage build and ....

What I'm asying is, let us see more. And some comments on that stuff up on the roof, and what's inside, and how you did it,... Please.

Dave.

Stuff on the roof looks so called roofdeck or Unideck. This contains of two layers of (mostly) plywood with pressed insulation inbetween. These come in big flat pack (different sizes to order but often 1 meter by 3 meter and depending on the insulation 10, 20 or 30cm. thick). The open roof is just layd out with these packs like with traditional plywood on the roof but in this case insulation is included. On these the roofman nails slim wood rails on which the ceramic tiles are alid and get their hold.

One example of a supplier: http://www.unidek.nl/default.asp/id,322

 

[Mr.Deer]

Now seriously, you can't just drop in and post and let us see one picture of an essentially finished garage build and ....

What I'm asying is, let us see more. And some comments on that stuff up on the roof, and what's inside, and how you did it,... Please.

Dave.

Well Dave
Here is some food for thougth, they show the progress of the house as well.

 

[Mr.Deer]

That's very good. Must be built from Norwegian wood.

Yes, as a matter of fact it's Norwegian pine. How did you know

 

[Mr.Deer]

If we open pandoras box we will see that the electrics is nearly done, both 230V and 400V. Only to connect a few more plugs and switches. This is one thing you'll never have to many of

Im also done with the insulation work and drywall work

 

[jolakki]

Gotta be carefull when you install the drywall not to drive a screw through those wires.

 

[Brunow]

All way up north!! Good thinking with the isolation!

Looks good!

 

[jmauld]

The building of house and garage started autum in 2008 and was completed in spring 2009, but the completion of the garage has naturaly been postponed due to other "more important projects" according to my wife..

haha! No matter where you are in the world, some things are universal!

Nice house and garage you have there. I really like the siding.

 

[NUTTSGT]

400V really ? I didn't realize they used that over there.

 

[344chief]

400V really ? I didn't realize they used that over there.

400V is mainly used by the industry for machines, ovens, lights etc..

230(220) volts the standard for private houses etc.. in single phase or 3phase configurations. But having 400V or 3 phase in the home garage/workshop opens up for more possibilities (larger machines or used equipment from the industry)

 

[NUTTSGT]

400V is mainly used by the industry for machines, ovens, lights etc..

230(220) volts the standard for private houses etc.. in single phase or 3phase configurations. But having 400V or 3 phase in the home garage/workshop opens up for more possibilities (larger machines or used equipment from the industry)

Gotcha thanks.

 

[MSRTom]

Excellent. I have a friend who lives near Oslo and comes over to the states once or twice a year.

I think you're a little over 500km from there, right?

 

[Warg]

400V is mainly used by the industry for machines, ovens, lights etc..

230(220) volts the standard for private houses etc.. in single phase or 3phase configurations. But having 400V or 3 phase in the home garage/workshop opens up for more possibilities (larger machines or used equipment from the industry)

I was under the impression that large parts of Norway still had the older 120V system, and to get 230V you drew the current between two phases. Is it still that way?
Sorry for the hijack, just had to ask....

-Paul

 

[rickycobra]

Skal! on the place maybe you bless Odin with the gifts and work you make in that mini Valhalla. I'm Scandinavian and it has always been a dream of mine to go back to Denmark and Norway but moneys been tight. Maybe next summer.

 

[Mr.Deer]

Excellent. I have a friend who lives near Oslo and comes over to the states once or twice a year.

I think you're a little over 500km from there, right?

Thats correct. Without stops along the way, it takes approx 7 hours to drive (plane 40-50min)

 

[Mr.Deer]

I was under the impression that large parts of Norway still had the older 120V system, and to get 230V you drew the current between two phases. Is it still that way?
Sorry for the hijack, just had to ask....

-Paul

I can see that you live just "on the other side of the border", and it does suprise me that you didnt know that we have the same eletrical system as yourselves

 

[Mr.Deer]

Skal! on the place maybe you bless Odin with the gifts and work you make in that mini Valhalla. I'm Scandinavian and it has always been a dream of mine to go back to Denmark and Norway but moneys been tight. Maybe next summer.

My guess would be that you are one of the migrated norwegians (to the US?)
You are always welcome back.

Money is always an issue here i norway (everything is expensive here) I can promise you that nothing has become cheaper here.
Gas is now 8$ pr. gallon (and the ironc part is that, next to Saudi Arabia we produce more oil pr capital than enybody else in the world)

 

[344chief]

I was under the impression that large parts of Norway still had the older 120V system, and to get 230V you drew the current between two phases. Is it still that way?
Sorry for the hijack, just had to ask....

-Paul

You may be right.. I need to check how the 3phase is splitted in the "power grid" for the different streets. The load is probably balanced over the 3phase leads, splitted into single phase for the different houses on the grid.
In older houses, the 3phase is not readily available I believe. In our case, we have sent in a request for a permit to change the power intake to 3 phase, and I assume the single phase circuits in the house will be balanced to equal draw on the 3phase leads.
I haven't been involved in high power electrics since I did the electricians school some 20 years ago.. so I don't remember that much..
I later become an Electronics engineer, but at the time everything was focused on the IT business.. and since then I've been doing programming (mostly java) and consulting...

Anyway.. the consumer will only "see" 220volts circuits/ plugs or sometimes 3 phase outlets.

 

[Warg]

I can see that you live just "on the other side of the border", and it does suprise me that you didnt know that we have the same eletrical system as yourselves

Awww... I got about 400 kilometers to the border....
Anyhow, that's what they said at school, where I learn the trade of an electrician.

You may be right.. I need to check how the 3phase is splitted in the "power grid" for the different streets. The load is probably balanced over the 3phase leads, splitted into single phase for the different houses on the grid.
In older houses, the 3phase is not readily available I believe. In our case, we have sent in a request for a permit to change the power intake to 3 phase, and I assume the single phase circuits in the house will be balanced to equal draw on the 3phase leads.
I haven't been involved in high power electrics since I did the electricians school some 20 years ago.. so I don't remember that much..
I later become an Electronics engineer, but at the time everything was focused on the IT business.. and since then I've been doing programming (mostly java) and consulting...

Anyway.. the consumer will only "see" 220volts circuits/ plugs or sometimes 3 phase outlets.

Ah, you have the same background as I. Only I did it the other way, got electronics engineering degree first, worked with IT, and now learning a new trade as an electrician.
But you're right, the customer is getting 220 in their outlets whether it connects between a phase and a neutral, or two phases. The difference does not manifest itself until you get to the three phase connector, then it's either 220 or 400V, depending on the system.

-Paul

 

[hayfarmer]

Man I want to come over there and go fishing.

 

[Bib Overalls]

Almost impossible to get three phase power in a residential area in the States. We don't have the infrastructure.

My Dad came over from Oslo before WWII. I visited my relatives in 1961. They are all gone now.

 

[Grizz1963]

Nice place from the way I see it.

Coming from South Africa originally, basements are rare for us.

I take it that it is built to help conserve energy.

What part of the house goes into the basement ?
It looks like there are windows on the side of the basement as well, presumably to let in some natural light?

Preparing for later "need" of 3 phase or high voltage is a sensible thing when building a house.

 

[Mr.Deer]

Nice place from the way I see it.

Coming from South Africa originally, basements are rare for us.

I take it that it is built to help conserve energy.

What part of the house goes into the basement ?
It looks like there are windows on the side of the basement as well, presumably to let in some natural light?

Preparing for later "need" of 3 phase or high voltage is a sensible thing when building a house.

The place is great, and thank you. I only have three regrets from building the house:
1- bigger land (this was a no discussion subject, since the county already had decided on general land sizes)
2- Not building a basement on the garage
3- Central heating throug waterpipes integrated in the floors.

Basements are pretty common here in Norway, earlier they were more often used for storage, foood conserving etc. but now a days they are moore used for recreation facillities, private cinema's, hobby rooms etc. "make the most of what you got".

The reason for putting windows in my basement is divided, either constructing a small appartment that ii can rent out, or make a few extra bedrooms.
As of today the basement is empty. During the winter i will put up a bedroom and a hobby/electronics/gun/storage room but this has to step back in line, because the garage needs to be at least usable first.

The three phase is intende used for welding/air-compressor and lifting posts.
I've got one of these 2-legged autolifts
http://www.stenhoj.dk/Autolift/forside/menu/lift.htm

 

[Tink]

Yes, as a matter of fact it's Norwegian pine. How did you know

My guess is he was referring to The Beatles song.

 

[Mr.Deer]

Latest news

Filler has been applied to the drywall, and the paint has found it's way out of the can an on to the wall

I am doing one half at a time, due to all the equipment (autolift/toolbox/welder etc). I made a curtain of plastic while i work, due to dust and paint spray.

But i need some input/feedback from you people who read this thread.
I want to make some sort of theme, i was thinking of a 1'' red and 1'' green stripe running through the garage and red cabinets (at least, door) making some sort of "Castrol" theme.
But i am open to other suggestions. Open our imagination and drop me a line.

 

[Mr.Deer]

"a picture is nothing without a frame"
Here is the current progress outside.

 

[344chief]

hei igjen

A castrol theme garage sounds cool.. with a color scheme something like this then ?

Another option is looking at the color schemes great racing teams from the '70s and '80s.

Gulf:

Martini:

Rothmans :

etc..



Whenever I get my car garage up and running, I'm considering doing a theme garage decor. But then I would need to buy a matching car.. like the examples above

 

[Mr.Deer]

Jo, takk for sist

Thank you for some good ideas.
The background colour is white, so the castrol/martini/rothmans would suit best.
Either way i need to get my hands on some vintage signs

 

[Mr.Deer]

Well, it's probably time for an update.

- The base paint is done, no decor/theme yet.
- The center-beam needs paint but the scaffold is not high enough, and some moldings are needed to close the gap between, the plasterboard and beam.
- 6 off fluorescent lamp's has been installed.

I've started building the workbench:
- Stage 1, involves a 3 meter (10 ft) workbench with some shelves, and a dedicated space for the compressor.
- Stage 2, a cabinet above the workbench (the whole length of the bench), and a cabinet to the right of the bench. The work progress has not been as effective as i hoped, because i have som steel drawers that i want to implement into the cabinet.
- Stage 3, is still just in my mind (havent started on this yet) but the idea is to continue the workbench on the other side of the door. This section is intended to house the welder, bench grinder, and a vice.

 

[344chief]

Looking good, almost too clean walls

Did you use double plaster(gips) boards on the walls for fire protection?
while I don't have to, I think I'll go with the extra fire protection in my garage.. just in case something bad happens..

Did you buy the stenhøj lift used?
I'll looking for a 4 post lift for my garage, but not sure how good the used ones are.

 

[Mr.Deer]

Thank you, and you are correct, it is a bit to "clean" still. That's why i need to ad som stripes or bottom wall colour (ref. the theme project).

On the wall facing the neighbours and the wall towards the house, i've used double plaster. Single layer on the last wall and ceiling. It is a piece of s..t to hang things on, but a layer of plywood (or similar) underneath will fix that problem

The autolift i found on the Norwegian version of ebay (finn.no), a garage had gone bankrupt. It's pretty hard to find good quality 2-post autolifts for sale (ex. stenhøj, koni, John Beem etc.) they sell fast. The 4-post is easier (im guessing the size of it, limits the amount of potential buyers)
There should not be a issue with buying a used one, the most important thing is that it has been serviced regulary. My stenhøy is 17 years and is almost identical to the one the sell today (makes spareparts a bit easier)
But you could get a new China made autolift for the same money that you would have to spend on a 10-15 year old stenhøj.
A new stenhøj would set you back 5500-6000$ a used one between 1500-2000$