Oh NO, not ANOTHER Saw Set....

[Debcrow]

Here is a Saw Set that was in a box of vintage tools from a garage sale that I found to be interesting. Certainly not your common plier handled type.

 

[RTM]

Hammer type. I'm away from my notes, but I'm thinking that's Seymour Smith in the patent, of some fame here on the vintage board for several tools.

US Patent: 174,585 - Improvement in Saw Sets

US patent 174,585 Improvement in Saw Sets was issued to Seymour Smith of Oakville, CT. It was granted on 03/07/1876.

datamp.org

 

[Oregon rock crusher]

Seems like a good place to drop another sawset....this one is German made for export I believe. Nice decorative line work on this one. Some similar German made sawsets were branded after import in the raised oval on the handles. Not this one. Ed.

 

[RTM]

Seems like there was one or two factories making these, and adding the name in the oval.

Here is mine, bought just for the decorativeness of it.

This may not have been stamped for import, but prior to export
Carl Kammerlin, Wuppertal, Germany, founded 1904

 

[Oregon rock crusher]

I did see a pair similar to yours RTM or maybe the same pair while looking up CK or Carl Kammerlin. Seems like he linked back to a Great Britain address in my limited search so I wasn't sure just who produced these decorative pieces. Ed.

 

[WisJim]

It was suggested that maybe we needed a saw set thread, but it looks like this one is already here.
I've been accumulating saw sets off and on (whenever I find one that I don't have and that I can afford) and I have a variety.
I posted these pictures in a saw discussion thread but they would be better here. A picture that I took awhile ago when I had a bunch of them out for some reason.

 

[WisJim]

This one got me started looking for saw sets, rather than just picking them up when they were obvious. I didn't realize what it was when I found it, but picked it up for 50 cents and figured out that it was a fairly uncommon saw set. Ended up finding 3 more of them in the next year or so and sold one on eBay for over $50. That financed a few more tools.

 

[RTM]

This one got me started looking for saw sets, rather than just picking them up when they were obvious. I didn't realize what it was when I found it, but picked it up for 50 cents and figured out that it was a fairly uncommon saw set. Ended up finding 3 more of them in the next year or so and sold one on eBay for over $50. That financed a few more tools.

Names, we need names on all thirty seven of them, plus this one. Individual glamor shots, history, patents, come on Jim.

(That request is why I haven’t posted mine. Maybe a name, and a link to Sawset collector page. Or just keep procrastinating.)

 

[WisJim]

I'm good at procrastinating, lots of practice.

 

[Mike'smeatshop]

Bad lighting in the house. But IE is all the markings I can find. ?

 

[RTM]

A great tool for all wannabe and unintentional saw set collectors is the online museum

The Saw Set Collector's Resource

members.acmenet.net

Yours looks like a Morrill style pliers saw set, not necessarily made by Morrill

The Saw Set Collector's Resource - Plier Saw Set #2

members.acmenet.net

 

[Mike'smeatshop]

I believe you nailed it. Morrill 1B is the model. Thanks.

 

[Mike'smeatshop]

Not to get off topic. But not much on Sargent vises. I believe the handiest tool on my bench. Did Sargent make their own vise?

 

[RTM]

But not much on Sargent vises. I believe the handiest tool on my bench. Did Sargent make their own vise?

My understanding is yes.

Sargent Hardware : Sargent VBM Mechanics' Tools : 1910 : Sargent & Co. : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

1324 p., illus., 31.0 cm, trade catalog

archive.org

I think this is the first in which the saw vises appear (1910)

In their catalogs, they typically listed whose tools they were selling if they didn't make it.

Internet Archive: Digital Library of Free & Borrowable Texts, Movies, Music & Wayback Machine

archive.org

 

[Mike'smeatshop]

My understanding is yes.

Sargent Hardware : Sargent VBM Mechanics' Tools : 1910 : Sargent & Co. : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

1324 p., illus., 31.0 cm, trade catalog

archive.org

I think this is the first in which the saw vises appear (1910)

In their catalogs, they typically listed whose tools they were selling if they didn't make it.

Internet Archive: Digital Library of Free & Borrowable Texts, Movies, Music & Wayback Machine

archive.org

Thanks a lot RTM. You save so much homework. Where were you fifty years ago when I was in jr high?

 

[RTM]

Thanks a lot RTM. You save so much homework. Where were you fifty years ago when I was in jr high?

Jr High in SoCal

 

[d42jeep]

I picked up this saw set at a moving sale on Friday. I was surprised how similar it looked to the one in the WW2 Navy NAF catalog. It will end up in my NAF box.
-Don

 

[RTM]

I picked up this saw set at a moving sale on Friday. I was surprised how similar it looked to the one in the WW2 Navy NAF catalog. It will end up in my NAF box.
-Don

Does that have a two piece anvil? When you squeeze, is the pencil sized bit that extends a single piece, or split with a slender center extending on contact? If so, uts the 42x model, the most prized of saw sets.

 

[d42jeep]

Here are some pictures. It seems to be a tapering solid anvil. Can you make out anything from the number stamping?
-Don

 

[Private Lugnutz]

Can you make out anything from the number stamping?

Reviving this thread to say.... Funny you should ask, and even funnier that I should be the one to answer!

It reads, "9-26-16-12-19-16"

While I see saw sets almost every week at the flea market, I don't collect them, but I did pluck this one (see thumbnails below) off a $1 table yesterday.

From what I have seen able to learn in some quickie research, it's an early (1916 to 1930's)* Stanley No. 42 "Pistol Grip" Adjustable, identifiable by the three rivets (vs one) in the body and it not having the improved apparatus (that @RTM alludes to above in his first reply to you...) of the later (1930's to 1940's)* more coveted No. 42X. *(I am sure a saw set guy could provide a more detailed timeline I am not interested enough to know or find.)

The brochure/instructions insert is ratty, the box is even rattier, with signs of having been repaired several times with masking tape, but the saw set itself is in very good just shy of near-mint condition, with only some wear on the handle. A quick search revealed several No. 42X's in mint condition in original mint condition boxes with original mint condition brochures/instructions out there on the interwebz, but the tools, boxes, and paperwork are all later and much different.

Among photos of the early Stanley No. 42's I saw in researching it, I didn't find any others with this patent marking until I searched GJ and found yours.

The marking "9-26-16-12-19-16" is the date (September 26, 1916) of Christian Bodmer's Utility Patent (1,199,232) and the date (December 19, 1916) of his Design Patent (D50,055), strung together.

Photos of other examples of early No. 42's I saw are marked: "U.S. PAT's" or just "PAT's" there, over "9-26-16 & 12-19-16", which is much more straightforward.

I don't know if yours and mine are earlier or later in sequence from those, and I'm not really interested enough to figure it out.

Longer story much shorter, Don, the Class 41 excerpt from my Navy ASO catalog seems to be showing the more coveted Stanley No. 42X. And I am pretty sure you have the earlier No. 42. You might find the marking on the inside of the handle.

EDITS: More accurate explanation of patent date marking

 

[Private Lugnutz]

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[Milton Shaw]

MY mother's father finished carpenters school in 1906, and I still have that picture. He was a master saw sharpener and dad always took his saw blades for touch ups (1950-1960). He had plier type as well as one for 6 foot crosscut saw blades. It was a single piece that you drove two tongs on the back into a stump and then the saw put on top and every other tooth got struck by a hammer, reverse saw and do the rest of the teach. He also had a file guide that you use to get all the teeth to the same height. I got most of those old tools when one of my uncle's died that had inherited them first. Wood router planes, jointer planes both wood and cast iron were among the things I got. Great to have but don't have anyone interested in inheriting them so far.

 

[WisJim]

A couple of years ago, @RTM posted a link to The Saw Set Collector's Resource, which no longer seems to be active. But the wonderful folks at the Internet Archives and their Way back Machine have saved it for us. https://web.archive.org/web/20121115145843/http://members.acmenet.net/~con12a/
I hope you make a donation to the Internet Archives to support all the information that they make available to us.

 

[d42jeep]

I found this one on Saturday. It came out of the evaporust today. I hope my de-rusting efforts don’t negatively affect it’s value.
-Don

 

[WisJim]

I've done some recent sorting of saw sets in my assortment and here are some pictures of some; most of them have tags on them with info about the patentee and patent info.

Three somewhat uncommon types:


The two in the upper right are 2 sizes of the same Morrill's patent-the bigger one was also in the previous picture, above.


The upper right corner is a Tainter's Patent , the middle one without a tag is Nash's Patent, Feb 5, 1867 #61,855, and the one below it to the left is a Disston Monarch, which was made in a couple of sizes.


Five variations of some of Morrill's patents, plus a Millers Falls #214.