Okay Guys, What the Heck is this?
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four.cycle
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you sure it's not a saw set?
okay... well... after looking, it appears Mr. Manzel manufactured a "leaf spring lubricator" and he was located IN Buffalo New York.
but your device is NOT the "leaf spring lubricator" of Buffalo fame.
Manzel / Charles W. Manzel Co., Buffalo, NY / leaf spring lubricator / patent 1201324 Oct 17 1916 & 820979 May 22 1906 Charles W. Manzel / / (* existing specimens are stamped with date of Oct 18 1916 *) /
so... it's possible that it's actually a saw set, but I will have to defer to @Old Man Roger on that one.
okay... well... after looking, it appears Mr. Manzel manufactured a "leaf spring lubricator" and he was located IN Buffalo New York.
but your device is NOT the "leaf spring lubricator" of Buffalo fame.
Manzel / Charles W. Manzel Co., Buffalo, NY / leaf spring lubricator / patent 1201324 Oct 17 1916 & 820979 May 22 1906 Charles W. Manzel / / (* existing specimens are stamped with date of Oct 18 1916 *) /
so... it's possible that it's actually a saw set, but I will have to defer to @Old Man Roger on that one.
Came from a long closed Ford dealer.you sure it's not a saw set?
okay... well... after looking, it appears Mr. Manzel manufactured a "leaf spring lubricator" and he was located IN Buffalo New York.
but your device is NOT the "leaf spring lubricator" of Buffalo fame.
Manzel / Charles W. Manzel Co., Buffalo, NY / leaf spring lubricator / patent 1201324 Oct 17 1916 & 820979 May 22 1906 Charles W. Manzel / / (* existing specimens are stamped with date of Oct 18 1916 *) /
so... it's possible that it's actually a saw set, but I will have to defer to @Old Man Roger on that one.
four.cycle
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Early Ford V-8 Club Forum
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rear transmission band adjustment tool for Ford-O-Matic transmission, according to the experts
here's another guy who was trying to sell one. no price mentioned. sounds like a real oddball widget.
AffableCurmudgeon
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looks like part of a wheel puller.
GreenIron
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Manzel 7195 - Ford O-Matic Transmission Rear Band Adjustment Tool.
1953 Manzel Tools & Equipment Bflo NY : Manzel – A Division Of Frontier Industries, Inc. – Buffalo New York USA : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive
1953 Manzel Automotive Service Tools and Equipment Brochure with Detailed Descriptions and Pricing – Buffalo New York USA
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It appears that Manzel supplied a lot of speciality tools to the automotive repair shops.
Beerhippie
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Beerhippie
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That reminds me--when was the last time I greased my leaf springs?you sure it's not a saw set?
okay... well... after looking, it appears Mr. Manzel manufactured a "leaf spring lubricator" and he was located IN Buffalo New York.
but your device is NOT the "leaf spring lubricator" of Buffalo fame.
Manzel / Charles W. Manzel Co., Buffalo, NY / leaf spring lubricator / patent 1201324 Oct 17 1916 & 820979 May 22 1906 Charles W. Manzel / / (* existing specimens are stamped with date of Oct 18 1916 *) /
so... it's possible that it's actually a saw set, but I will have to defer to @Old Man Roger on that one.
IDK, but I’ve got four vintage grease bars, aka rattlesnakes, aka shackle bars that haven’t been used for their intended purpose in probably 70 years. Want to borrow one?
Beerhippie
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I guess I'd have to buy something with leaf springs first. I don't think I've owned any in a few decades. I also don't recall ever greasing any that I did own--or being aware that it was a thing.
RTM
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Link to a file Your computer.
Ricky Joe
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That is a band adjuster for automatic transmissions.
It was a thing before they put wear pads between the leaf ends. And leaf springs are still pretty common.
If you've ever had a pickup truck, travel trailer, boat trailer, utility trailer, etc. aside from the occasional torsion axle, they pretty much all use leaf springs.
Old Man Roger
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Its actually dual purpose. Although it was originally designed as a Ford transmission tool, the experts quickly realized it was perfectly suited to be used as a ……wait for it…..sawset.
I was gonna say...talking as if leaf springs are rare is strange. Greasing them is no longer a thing, sure, but they're everywhere.
I have 4 vehicles with leaf springs. One trailer, one pickup, and both semis have leafs in the front. Even brand new ones do.
Ricky Joe
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Leaf springs used to be greased. I’ve worked on lots of old cars and trucks that suffered from wear due to not being greased, leading to loose shackles, broken springs, and worn helper suspension. Eventually, not sure when, leaf springs were alternated with thin Teflon or other material similar to keep the metal from wearing as the springs flexed. There were several styles of greasers, even some designed for the old enclosed springs. Don’t you just miss the sound of unmaintained springs squeaking on a dirt road?
Beerhippie
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Everything I've driven in the last few decades has had torsion bars, coil-overs or MacPhearson struts. I've owned a lot of leaf springs over the years, but a long time ago for me.
The only leaf spring I currently own looks like this:
and doesn't require greasing.
four.cycle
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^ no home-made froe?
^^^^ but it's used by greasers for greasing.The only leaf spring I currently own looks like this:
and doesn't require greasing.
disston
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Adjusting the bands on an automatic transmission is asking for trouble.
Old Man Roger
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Wouldn’t it be done when the bands were replaced?
<<<not a transmission guy.
I'm not a transmission guy either but I heard a common performance upgrade was replacing the bands with the older sister's hair scrunchie.
Modern Garage
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When I was in school (back in the dark ages) we learned to overhaul automatics with external adjustments. Shortly after I began to make my living repairing cars I realized that if the band(s) on any trans made since 1959 needed adjustment it was because it was worn out and needed an overhaul.
The manufacturers realized it too because external adjustments disappeared.
Joe
The manufacturers realized it too because external adjustments disappeared.
Joe
Old Man Roger
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Right, but wouldn’t you need to adjust the new bands?
Modern Garage
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Yes, as part of the O/H. I was just pointing out why most have never heard of "adjusting the bands" since it was never really a maintenance item since the Model T days.
Reminds me of an old cartoon of a guy up to his elbows in grease repairing the T while his wife says " What do you mean we need a band, we're just going on a picnic, we can sing songs."
Guess you hadda be there...it was funnier in 1926.
Joe
Reminds me of an old cartoon of a guy up to his elbows in grease repairing the T while his wife says " What do you mean we need a band, we're just going on a picnic, we can sing songs."
Guess you hadda be there...it was funnier in 1926.
Joe
Ricky Joe
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That’s why they made the band adjusters.
3baygarage
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From the cat Larry g linked:
disston
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I remember a story my brother once told me, He's not the mechanic guy in our family, I am. He said he took his truck into a transmission shop and told them he wanted the bands adjusted. They looked at it on the lift and told him it needed a rebuild. Well, that is the correct advice when somebody says they need a band adjustment, there are no band adjustments externally on anything you are likely to see today. I told my brother, Do Not tell a transmission shop to adjust the bands. Only service on a modern transmission is changing the oil and maybe putting on a new filter. I now have a 2018 car. The filter is only changeable by taking the transmission off the engine.
I was learning boat mechanics a few years ago. Rebuilt a 1967 Paragon HJ7C transmission using a manual for an older HF7 transmission. Only difference in those two transmissions is the placement of the external band adjustment. I learned this after or during my disassembly of the port transmission so I was then able to adjust the starboard trannie and drive my boat on one engine.
Had trouble managing my time and efforts, ended up having to sell my boat, yeah I know, great day.
I was learning boat mechanics a few years ago. Rebuilt a 1967 Paragon HJ7C transmission using a manual for an older HF7 transmission. Only difference in those two transmissions is the placement of the external band adjustment. I learned this after or during my disassembly of the port transmission so I was then able to adjust the starboard trannie and drive my boat on one engine.
Had trouble managing my time and efforts, ended up having to sell my boat, yeah I know, great day.
disston
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I did rebuild a 1988 Ford AOD trannie once. Took two years and two parts trannies to practice on but it worked great. That trannie went thru several changes in later years. Mostly adding electronics, but mechanicals stayed much the same. I almost became a transmission guy.
I'm too old to get a real job now. I was too lazy when I was younger.
Any real transmission guys here?
I'm too old to get a real job now. I was too lazy when I was younger.
Any real transmission guys here?