Old craftsman drill press

[Jeremiah14]

I'm about to buy this. I think. Well I'm meeting the guy tomorrow. He was asking $125, I emailed and offered $75 sight unseen. I hope I didn't screw myself to bad. His ad states that it runs well. It missing one of the arms. My goal is to restore it to daily use in my shop. What do y'all think? Is it worth it? Can I find replacement parts?

 

[Jeremiah14]

Here's another picture.

 

[nine4gmc]

Missing a pull handle and the table looks drilled but those are great DP's and you should be able to find/make a new handle or any other parts needed. For $75, you scored!

 

[jakemac]

If it runs well, $125 wouldn't be out of the range but $75-$100 would be more realistic.

 

[schor]

$75 and runs good most likely a deal. The table doesn't actually look bad. Check the chuck for runout. Even if just visually by putting small diameter bit in it, you should be able to see if it's really bad or not.

It should run quiet, so if you hear lots of noise you could be needing bearings in the motor or the press (not sure if that press has bearings).

 

[softailgarage]

For $75.00, take it. I'm thinking about offering this guy 50.00-75.00
http://sandiego.craigslist.org/nsd/tls/4288989992.html

 

[nine4gmc]

That's an 80 model Softail, I wouldn't go over $40-50 and only to clean up and try flipping for $80-100. jmo but the 80 has like a 2" pole compared to the 100 & 150 with a 2-3/4" pole.

 

[Major Ramifications]

Jeremaih, If I was selling that press, I wouldn't go below $125.

 

[Zeke]

I have one in excellent non restored condition and gladly gave 150 for it. Things do cost more in SoCal in my experience. So $75 is a good price but not a steal.

You may still earn a 'you ****' though.

Before you think I'm offending you, look up "you ****" here on the GJ.

 

[57JoeFoMoPar]

That's a great drill press. A floor standing unit at $75 is a score. I'd be willing to pay full price for it if it runs and the chuck runs true. You really can't go wrong. It has the headband, too, which is a nice plus.

Here's mine. I scored this off of Craigslist for $80, but that's not to say I wouldn't have paid significantly more for it.
https://scontent-a-iad.**.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc1/7694_10101326266632944_264525865_n.jpg

 

[bluebolt]

That's an 80 model Softail, I wouldn't go over $40-50 and only to clean up and try flipping for $80-100. jmo but the 80 has like a 2" pole compared to the 100 & 150 with a 2-3/4" pole.

That's a Dunlap too, I think they are bushings and not bearings.

 

[jakemac]

If it was a Dunlap, it wouldn't have the Craftsman logo on the band in the 2nd photo.

 

[lowrodderchev]

just pick up a table top model 80 I was told and thing is f'ing awesome cant go wrong with these old drill presses she's was going for 2-3 hours the other day and no problems

 

[Outlawmws]

If it was a Dunlap, it wouldn't have the Craftsman logo on the band in the 2nd photo.

You talking about the one Softtail posted? Look again, it's a Dunlap, but both are King Seeley...

Bearings: Probably 1 Ball (Thrust) three bronze...

 

[jakemac]

No, I thought that he was talking about the one that Jeremiah14 posted. I may have spoken about the wrong DP.

 

[nine4gmc]

Softail linked to a model 80 that me and Bloebolt were referring to, Jeremiah is buying a model 100, similar to a 150 like 57Joe posted above.

 

[Outlawmws]

You mean this one?

"Older Dunlap bench drill press. Works well"

 

[sc105b]

I recently spotted a King Seeley Floor Model with the slow speed attachment which looked to be in nice shape. Was asking $350.

Any idea on a fair price on one?

 

[Outlawmws]

If the mod 100/150, then that third pulley can tack on another $100 easily to your local street value. If it had other features like the table lift and production table, even more and if all three, then (assuming in good shape other wise) it's a "go get it"!

 

[sc105b]

Thanks! No Table lift. Looks to be in nice shape, just not sure what a fair offer would be..

 

[Jeremiah14]

It's mine! I'll post pics when I get home. This thing is a beast. Hopefully you all will help me restore it. This will be fun...

 

[nine4gmc]

Thanks! No Table lift. Looks to be in nice shape, just not sure what a fair offer would be..

Fair depends on condition and postal code... I would start at $200-250 and be prepared to pay $300...

It's mine! I'll post pics when I get home. This thing is a beast. Hopefully you all will help me restore it. This will be fun...

Can't wait to see it, congrats!!

 

[bisley45]

Glad you got it I have one just like it you are going to love it.

 

[Jeremiah14]

Well. I got it home, plugged it in and yep it works, in reverse. I'm hoping the motor can be cleaned/ rebuilt. Because I don't want to attempt it. The switch is pretty neat it's a porcelain coated dial. The belt is shot and the one pulley is broken. Does anyone make replace ment parts or is it completely obsolete and make them yourself??

 

[Jeremiah14]

More pics

 

[nine4gmc]

Here is the manual and parts guide, look up the part number and check ebay. The pulleys show up occasionally but can be pricey.

http://vintagemachinery.org/pubs/222/1519.pdf

Also, that is a small motor for that dp, you may want to look around for a 1/2 hp but in the mean time, you might be able to swap internal winding wires to reverse the rotation.

 

[Jeremiah14]

I appreciate the help! It appears this is a 103.23140 whatever that means. I just found a PDF book on it too. If your saying eBay and my feeble attempts to find remand parts are any clue, I guess I'm on my own.

 

[Jeremiah14]

Here's the link:
http://vintagemachinery.org/pubs/222/3117.pdf

 

[Outlawmws]

Left hand drill set!



Have you tried the switch in the reverse direction for forward?

The motor may (or may not) be a moot point. Its a cool old motor; 110/220. BUT it's only 1/6 HP? It's been a LONG time since the std was 110V... (We are now at 120+)

For small bits 1/6 is fine; you start using larger or spade type bits in tough or draggy materials (wood...) and it won't be enough HP.

 

[Outlawmws]

I appreciate the help! It appears this is a 103.23140 whatever that means. I just found a PDF book on it too. If your saying eBay and my feeble attempts to find remand parts are any clue, I guess I'm on my own.

The "103" is the sears code for Kink Seeley, the manufacturer. the remainder is the model No. which no one that I know of has deciphered.

Better pics (Table and head in particular) and we can probably narrow the manufacturer dates down considerably. KS made these for Sears for decades.

 

[Jeremiah14]

So if the motor is underpowered anyways can I simply buy a new one, (and switch)?

 

[nine4gmc]

Yes, new/used as long as the frame is similar so it mounts correctly.

 

[jakemac]

Is there an additional switch on the motor ?
Sometimes that switch is wired to reverse the motor instead of an on/off switch.

The motor on my DP has a toggle switch on the cover plate as well, for reversing the motor, in addition to the cutoff switch for the power.

 

[Jeremiah14]

No there's no switch on the motor. And yeah i tried the switch both ways. I swear I really hate to swap the motor for a modern one. It'd be like putting a Kia motor on a classic American car. I believe I'll take the motor to the local place and see what they say. I wonder if it can be beefed up and still remain in the original case??

 

[Jeremiah14]

Here's more pics

 

[Jeremiah14]

Base

 

[Jeremiah14]

Work plate

 

[nine4gmc]

No there's no switch on the motor. And yeah i tried the switch both ways. I swear I really hate to swap the motor for a modern one. It'd be like putting a Kia motor on a classic American car. I believe I'll take the motor to the local place and see what they say. I wonder if it can be beefed up and still remain in the original case??

Actually, the 1/6 hp is the kia motor The only thing it has going for it is age. You don't have to buy new, here is a Craftsman motor closer to period correct. The main thing is hp and speed, you will need a 1/2 hp for large bits/thick material as mentioned and it should be a 1750 rpm.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Cra...1269380932?pt=Power_Tools&hash=item19e82c0344

 

[jakemac]

A good 1/2hp 1750rpm double spindle motor will work as well. Look for model # 115.6962. They were used mostly on table saws. I see them at yard sales and flea markets for $25-$40. They also make great polishers and wire wheels, with an arbor adaptor.

This one is a 1948 and is on my 12" disk sander, but would work just as well on my 1942 mod#74 DP.

 

[Outlawmws]

OK, it has a tilting table, so that's a Model 100 most likely, late 40's mid/late 50's. I need time to go through the catalogs, to look for the head plate differences. The guys interested are waiting for me to get/make time to setup a thread for identifying these Craftsman Drill presses.

I was looking earlier this week at trying to setup a chart/matrix in a spreadsheet for features and specs, but that is not going to be simple. (I did something like that for Honda Trail 90's a few years back. I guess it was a hit as I caught one guy breaking my copyright on it. I made him take it off his web site.