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Rileysan

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I don't know these well enough to say with any certainty, but this set is amazing. I don't think too many of these sets survived complete, let alone in this condition. Thanks for sharing!

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Looks like if 2***r didn't get involved in the bidding it would have sold for $100. Lets see if it gets relisted as buyers remorse might set in and not pay.
 

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It's because there was a bidding war between just two bidders. Had it not been a bidding war it would have sold for $70 or so. Check the bids to see what I'm saying.
 

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It sold because at least two people with more money than sense were interested.

That price is FAR too high even for a complete set, which, as has been pointed out, that is not...
 

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Notice the mismatched star socket?

There's one born every minute... now if they would just bid on my auctions!
 
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I miss the the early days of ebay when everything was transparent, like the bidders, their history, honest reviews- good or bad, etc... In either case, that's some serious money! I thought maybe there was something inherently special about this particular set.
 

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Desirable vintage Craftsman set . . . . Buyer with LOTS of money.

Millionaire factory owner in China now making C-Man stuff wanted it BAD !! :D

PIC's below for posterity on this $670 sales price on Ebay . . . WOW !!
 

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PIC's below for posterity on this $670 sales price on Ebay . . . WOW !!
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The first set posted above that sold for $670.00 was listed as a "CF" code set, manufactured by Herbrand (Fremont, Ohio) between 1934-1939.
Up until I clicked on this thread, I wasn't even aware that Herbrand was a supplier for Sears Craftsman.
I have never seen any "CF" Craftsman socket sets listed in the five months I've been using Ebay, and I check all the "socket set" listings daily.
The ratchet looks more like Proto or Penens - it is clearly not of Herbrand manufacture -the handle would look completely different if it were.

As to the "why", I would submit it is simply another case of an Ebay bidder with too many dollars and not enough sense, because I don't see how that set could possibly be worth even a fourth of that price.

The second set posted just above - the 9/32" drive set - appears to be "C" code, manufactured for Sears Craftsman by Snap-on between 1932-1936, and would be an extremely rare find. Moreover, even though it is missing the breaker bar and t-bar, the sockets and extension appear to be in excellent condition, and the little decal on the inside of the box lid looks pretty cherry.

Not all small older 1/4" drive sets included a ratchet; many contained only 6-point or 12-point sockets from 7/32" - 3/8" (or 7/16"), 8-point sockets in 1/4", 5/16", and 3/8", a breaker bar, and the "t-bar" for the breaker bar.
Not all of them even included an extension (or any other drive accessories.)
There were thousands and thousands of small socket sets sold like that for "handyman fixes around the house" - I own several of them made by Indestro.

I am not at all surprised that the 9/32" set sold for $127.50 - that sounds like a fair and reasonable price for a collector. (I am hoping Dr. Doom will weigh in on this with an opinion as well, as he's been collecting Craftsman much longer than I have.)
 

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Looks like if 2***r didn't get involved in the bidding it would have sold for $100. Lets see if it gets relisted as buyers remorse might set in and not pay.

2***r was in at $68. e***e was the one pushing the bid up. 71% activity with that seller. 35 bids on that socket set, compared to 2***r bidding 6 times.
 

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The first set posted above that sold for $670.00 was listed as a "CF" code set, manufactured by Herbrand (Fremont, Ohio) between 1934-1939.

When AA mentions "C-F" (note hyphen), I believe they are referring to tools other than socketry. I believe this CF set is Snap-on.

Too bad it was the seller's first time operating a camera! Talk about lousy photos...

The ratchet looks more like Proto or Penens...

I agree that the ratchet is very likely a Plomb. I doubt it belongs to the set.

I am not at all surprised that the 9/32" set sold for $127.50...

True. Although that's more than I'd pay even with the missing breaker and t-bar, the set is otherwise complete and in very exceptional condition.

The first set is also in good condition, but it's missing at least one socket (assuming all the others are correct as they appear), has a mis-matched breaker (it may possibly have been added later, but unlikely give that a spot in the case seems to exist for a breaker) and a very doubtful ratchet that likely never belonged to the set and isn't even the correct brand.
 

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Someone really wanted it, and had enough money to win the auction. It's no different than every other auction ever, since the beginning of time.
 
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When AA mentions "C-F" (note hyphen), I believe they are referring to tools other than socketry. I believe this CF set is Snap-on.

According to lauver's date code thread,

CF or C-F = Herbrand, ca. 1934 - 1939

The most up to date version of the thread is found here:
http://www.thegaragegazette.com/index.php?topic=867.0


EDIT - Oops, I just realized who it was I was quoting, sorry.
I know that the date code list is still a work in progress. :p
 
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2***r was in at $68. e***e was the one pushing the bid up. 71% activity with that seller. 35 bids on that socket set, compared to 2***r bidding 6 times.

Yea 2***r had mostly automatic bids, these stopped at $535 and then he kept going. He must have been surprised and pissed his high of $535 did not hold and went for it no matter what.
 

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Nothing any more surprises me seen it all and then some, even I think that is some crazy money but then again I am starting to see crazy money for semi old nos craftsman tool sets.
 

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Isn't that an 8-point socket? Older socket sets frequently came with them.

As four.cycle mentioned, I have a few older SAE 1/4 drive sets and they all have 1/4, 5/16, and 3/8, 8 point sockets in addition to those same sizes in 6 or 12 point. I have an SK set, Action, Fleet, and None Better all the same way.
 

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^ most all of mine include 8-points: Indestro, Thorsen, Giller, Herbrand, Craftsman, S-K...
I think the ones of mine that do not include 8-points are of more recent manufacture: KAL, Proamerica, JS Technologies, but those are mostly government contract surplus stuff.

square nuts used to be very common on household appliances and electronics, which was the target market on a lot of those little "midget" sets, as I mentioned above - the "household handyman" stuff.
 

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I've got this same set but with the original ratchet. My set was sitting on craiglist in St. louis for like a month or more probably because the title was't specific and the pics weren't clear. I'm keeping this set for I know I couldn't afford to buy it again.
 

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Whoever bought that set is an absolute fool, period. Mismatched, missing pieces, etc. Much more common than the 9/32" drive stuff. I'd pay maybe half what the 9/32 sets go for.........................and ONLY if it had been complete.
 

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If the person that bought the set has more money than they can spend and would rather look at and use this set rather than look at the money in his\her bank account then good for them. Obviously this person values the commodity over the paper money. Who knows, in ten years when Sears is long gone this set might be twice what they paid for it. As far as rarity of the set, I've got one and never seen another and have 5 or 6 of the 9/32" drive sets. I'd say the CF-** set is much more scarce than the 9/32" drive set.
 

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If the person that bought the set has more money than they can spend and would rather look at and use this set rather than look at the money in his\her bank account then good for them. Obviously this person values the commodity over the paper money. Who knows, in ten years when Sears is long gone this set might be twice what they paid for it. As far as rarity of the set, I've got one and never seen another and have 5 or 6 of the 9/32" drive sets. I'd say the CF-** set is much more scarce than the 9/32" drive set.

I've only seen one CM set, but that doesn't mean I think mine is worth a ton. Bottom line is I don't think it's worth what he paid, and I often pay a LOT more than opined value just to get odd stuff for my site.
 

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jakemac and lbgradwell - I was going off of lauver's list on the 'CF', not AA's site.

There was a version of the Garage Gazette thread (keeping a list of Craftsman Mfgr's codes and production years) here on Garage Journal. I can no longer find it with a search, unfortunately. I'd like to ask a question about one of the data points (not related to this eBay sale thread). Would someone please post a link?
 

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I'm sorry but the more I look at that ebay sale, the more head shaking I do. Clearly two guys went to battle, but I'd like a better look at that breaker bar. I don't think that is correct either! Looks like it could be an old New Britain.

C-Series that is a beautiful set. Thanks for posting. There is no (flex) breaker bar in your set I see. The breaker in the ebay set looks nothing like Snap On production. What say you?
 

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Thanks.

EDIT: That's the GG thread. I know there's a version of the thread here on GJ. (I don't have a GG login.) Did lauver abandon the thread here? Is it no longer active?

Disregard, Twerts. I found the thread and I can see that lauver has been updating the GG thread. I'll ask my question over there.
 
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