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I found this in Kentucky just across the river from Cincinnati.
What do I have here?
Kind of looks like an old Snap-On K-9 or K10, from the pictures on the web.
Decal seems to say Old Forge.
Then there is a partial Patent No 167548###.
Is this the Old Forge that AA refers to as Quality Tool?
Anyone know about the patent number?
What do I have?
 

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They were all built by Duplex in Sherman, NY, which is next to Jamestown, NY, where Coe lived. Some are branded Duplex, and some are private labeled. I have never seen an Old Forge before, but there are a few other names out there I can't recall. If you search on any combination of Coe, Sherman, Duplex, WWII, and Snap-on, or the patent number, you will find several more elaborate replies from me on several threads, including the Toolboxes thread and the Snap-on thread. I like that it's Old Forge. FOAK.
 
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Thanks Todd and Lugz.
Those tips and links helped me a lot.
Thanks again.
Tom
 
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Thanks Todd and Lugz.
Those tips and links helped me a lot.
Thanks again.
Tom
 

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Hi. That looks like the "Old Forge" logo for the Quality Tools Corporation of Wilmington PA.
They made some of their own tools, wrenches, chisels, but the 30's catalogs I have is filled with other brands the same way Thorsen catalogs of that era were. As a matter of fact they were a distributor of Thorsen Socket sets and other specialty tools. They sold Herbrand, Utica, Channellock etc.
 
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Hi. That looks like the "Old Forge" logo for the Quality Tools Corporation of Wilmington PA......

Thanks MrX. I saw that reference to Quality on the AA site but had no other confirmation or information. Thank you so much.

Is this toolbox in your catalog?
 

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So here's the best pic I could find of that oval logo plus the cover of the catalog it was in. The cat. also a page of tool boxes but not yours.
Sharp eyed readers might note the "Western Warehouse and Sales Office" is the exact same address as Ned Boyd's Thorsen Tools downtown S.F. location.
 

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just these.
 

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Here's a variation of your Duplex from an old 29-30 auto equip wholesaler catalog.
 

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Here is a set of Barcalo made DBE wrenches marked Old Forge. My opinion is that they are prewar.
-Don
 

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They were all built by Duplex in Sherman, NY, which is next to Jamestown, NY, where Coe lived. .

Is there an address associated with the old Duplex in Sherman? I live nearby, and am curious where it used to be. Googly searches are loaded with real estate listings for duplex housing, but not much on the company!
Jamestown also had a manufacturing plant for Crescent tools back in the day!
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Jamestown also had a manufacturing plant for Crescent tools back in the day!
That area was loaded with toolmakers. J.P. Danielson had a plant there (he helped found Crescent, then split off, to summarize a slightly more complex case), which became part of Plomb in 1947. Also Smith & Hemenway, which was bought by Crescent in the mid 1920's. Several other little guys.
 

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It looks like I'm going to have to go find and correct every instance of my inadvertent misinformation campaign regarding post-war Duplex tool box history.

I've been accurate about everything up through 1958, but it looks as though I may have conflated one of the 600 lb. gorillas (Snap-on) with another (Plomb), probably because I have no recollection of Plomb even using the Duplex type box with the external cantilevered hinges in my collecting interest period (pre 1950), whereas Snap-on was famous for it with their private-labeled versions known as the K-9, K-10, and K-11 HandiKits. No excuse. Just sayin'.

According to the Historic Annals of Southwestern New York, Vol 3, page 346 (1946), linked here if anyone wants to read it in the original periodical, John E. Coe was operating Duplex Manufacturing Corporation in Sherman as late as 1946.

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Note that when he patented the design, granted on July 3, 1928, he had not yet formed the company. The patent was unassigned. While this article doesn’t say it, I think he may have been working for another company. I have seen a box with the Coe design marked "Good Mfg. Co." and "PATENT PENDING", but can't find anything to substantiate that. According to this article, he started Duplex in Sherman no earlier than 1932.

I will provide the address later. I have it in a reference (WPB Major War Supply Contracts Listings) at home.

According to a local newspaper, the Oil City Derrick, the Duplex Mfg Corp plant was razed by fire on March 6, 1958.

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Note that there is no mention of Pendleton Tool Industries, Inc., or any other hint of ownership, and the president is one Paul Coe, ostensibly John's son.

According to a snippet only view of a trade mag called the Hardware Detailer, dated 1958, Pendleton Tool Industries, Inc. (a wholly-owned division of Ingersoll-Rand at the time) acquired a facility in Fort Smith, Arkansas, "for the manufacture of Duplex tool boxes."

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That's a little ambiguous. It could mean that PTTI already owned Duplex when the fire burned the old site down. Or it could mean that PTTI acquired what was left of Duplex after the fire, which may have been no more than its name.

The earliest ad I can find of Duplex tool boxes as a subsidiary of PTTI is this ad, in Popular Mechanics, January 1959, when the address was already Fort Smith, Arkansas.

If someone can show that Plomb was selling Duplex tool boxes prior to then, it could mean they already owned, it, or it could mean Duplex was a supplier and they decided to carry on the brand after the fire. I have no 1950's Plomb catalogs and not enough interest in it to pursue that.

Either way, Duplex was making them for themselves, Snap-on, Old Forge, and others at least through 1946, and perhaps as long as 1958.
 

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THANKS EVERYONE.
Now I know more stuff I didn't know that I didn't know.
All extremely interesting and fascinating.
The 1920 census shows John Coe as a chauffeur for a private (un-named) individual.
His oldest son Paul was born about 1914 and John jr. born in 1918.
1930 has him as "General Manager" at "Duplex Wrench". !!!
In 1940 John is in Sherman and is simply a "manager" at a "metal works".
(There was, and is, lots of inconsistencies in census information.)
Living next door was John jr., "asst manager" at "metal works".
In 1940, son Paul and his bride were living with one Erwin Peterson in Los Angeles and they all worked for "sheet metal mfg".
John died in 1971 and Paul died in 1991.
 
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I’ve scrounged up some things for my Old Forge tool box.
They seem to be 1916-1924 era with the bolt size markings.
All that I have found are SAE sizes except one USS.
They could have been intended for automobile service, but I wonder if Old Forge was trying to compete in the general wrench market.
Nice hex gullets. Heads are little narrow for the opening size. Not ‘stout’ like Williams, for example.
The wrenches seemed to have held up fairly well. The apparently predate the emerging chrome-vanadium and other alloy materials, but I have seen many other contemporaries of similar proportions that have suffered from spreading and damage.
This must be an early iteration of the current company today.
There is a comment on AA about Quality Tools as the maker of Old Forge, but that may be referring to a later time frame.

Any others out there?

What does anyone know about early Old Forge products?
 

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I have never seen wrenches. I did have a 2 arm puller, and some punches. I have also seen some big prybars with with a red pyroxylin handles. All I have ever seen had the old English don't style.

Looking for a Smooth Finish Plomb 3065 Double Open End Wrench
 
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Picked up another addition to the early Old Forge doe set.
1920-1927 size markings help to date these wrenches.
Interesting on this example, the “hex cap screw” designation doesn’t have the hexagon symbol and ‘cap’. Instead the letters HCS. (The other end is the usual USS designation.)
If I can find a sticky with wrench sizes, I will try to add this note.
 

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I picked up this Snapon box and it has all the same markings. Is there any way to pin point it's age other than patent date? And what model was this?
 

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The logo is a clue. The s got taller mid 40s. Snap on sold those for a long time.
 

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Here is the Old Forge marked S-K 3/8” drive deep socket set. Other than the Old Forge logo the set is pretty much the same as the S-K branded set.
-Don
 

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