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Woods_Wanderer

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I'm trying to find out any information about some old belt grinders for sale. It's a matching pair of Porter Cable 4" and 10" belt grinders. The smaller of these machines seems like it would be perfect for my garage, but the seller has very little information listed. Has anyone used one of these?
 

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They do have all parts and the 10" is running, but unfortunately they turned out to be a good 8 hrs away from me which is just a little too far- I'm in DFW and they are in New Orleans. It's a good buy for someone though.
 

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Hey, I'm glad you posed these. I'm thinking about going to take a look at them. Sounds like the 10" works, but the other needs some work. Not sure if it is all there or not. The 10" B3 appears to have a modified upper shroud. Can anyone give me a ballpark value of these sanders?
 
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Well folks yesterday I finally got my paws on one of these machines. The machine was located over 1,000 miles away up in Wisconsin, but by incredible coincidence the seller already had a trip planned to my city. This is actually a DG4 combination machine, a G4 belt grinder unit bolted to a D1 disc sander. This grinder has a "War Finish" sticker and a low serial number of 130. Given that there are no entries for this combination unit on Vintagemachinery I wonder if it was made in limited quantities. The build quality of this machine is really impressive-the belt tensioner mechanism even has adjustable gibs and a separate tracking adjuster.

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Well folks yesterday I finally got my paws on one of these machines. The machine was located over 1,000 miles away up in Wisconsin, but by incredible coincidence the seller already had a trip planned to my city. This is actually a DG4 combination machine, a G4 belt grinder unit bolted to a D1 disc sander. This grinder has a "War Finish" sticker and a low serial number of 130. Given that there are no entries for this combination unit on Vintagemachinery I wonder if it was made in limited quantities. The build quality of this machine is really impressive-the belt tensioner mechanism even has adjustable gibs and a separate tracking adjuster.

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Congrats that is a beauty!
 

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I saw that one, and was sorely tempted, but I already have the D-1 disc sander and G-4 belt sander that comprise it. That model wasn't offered for long ( nor was the predecessor, the DS-2) , and it's a shame because it's a great idea. Combination Sanders didn't seem to find a foothold in industry until the '60s, even though homeowner level units had been around for decades.IMG_20220420_160328645.jpg
 

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I saw that one, and was sorely tempted, but I already have the D-1 disc sander and G-4 belt sander that comprise it. That model wasn't offered for long ( nor was the predecessor, the DS-2) , and it's a shame because it's a great idea. Combination Sanders didn't seem to find a foothold in industry until the '60s, even though homeowner level units had been around for decades.IMG_20220420_160328645.jpg
I'm glad you didn't grab it!
 
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So like like old machines often do, this grinder turned out to have some hidden damage. In this case, the belt side was run with the tracking out of adjustment until the casting was cut completely through for about 90% of its length in the perfect shape of the belt. If not for the thick heavy duty casting, and a thicker mounting plate the tensioner bolts to, I suspect it would have already failed and blown apart in the face of the operator.

The drive wheel is very firmly stuck so for the moment I had to make this repair while the guard was on the machine. Welding that much cast iron, out of position with no pre/post heat control was a no go so I've settled on grinding out the cut and filling it with jb weld. I settled on Kwikweld as the strongest compound that would set fast and not flow out due to gravity.

At some point in the future this machine will get a full restoration and this will get cleaned up and possibly braze-reinforced in spots.

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Jb weld leaking through the back end of the cut:
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I have a similar problem with a Rockwell belt sander although not all the way through, but very deep. I am going to try to find something near me that knows how to braze cast iron.
That is a nice machine you picked up!

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I considered brazing to start but that long of a cut is an awful lot of heat to dump into a cast iron part, and the drive wheel is stuck on so firmly I'm unable to remove the casting anyway. Maybe in the future.
 

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Honestly, That strikes me as a better candidate for nickle rod.
You're going to love having a G-4, especially if you sharpen planes and chisels frequently.
- James Huston
 
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