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I have had this grinder, which is model number 208-20, for about 10 years now. Been an awesome machine. Very powerful, more so than my Dad's mid-70's Craftsman of the same HP, and WAAAY more powerful than anything of a more recent model that claims to be the same "1/2HP".
There is 1 problem with it though, and I am wondering if there would be a way to fix (or if someone may have a comparable one laying around that may be good for parts)
About 3 years ago it "ate" something I was grinding with it, and bent the armature on the right side. I briefly tried it with a new wheel on that side and it vibrated like mad so I took the new wheel off after ~15 seconds worth of free spinning. With no wheel on the bent side, if you spin the armature via the other wheel using your fingers (power "off" of course!) you can see it as being bent, as plain as day.
I have been using it ever since this way, with only the one wheel on the un-bent side. Kind of a waste having a tandem output motor and only being able to use 1 side.
Recently I found a like new Craftsman 1/2" grinder at a yard sale, looks barely used and even came with the manual. (manual shows '77 print date, certainly newer than the one my Dad has)
Plan was to mount the Craftsman grinder on the heavy Rockwell pedestal but the bolt pattern is different. While I can fab up an "adapter" easy enough, the Rockwell motor is still "electrically" fine, knowing they do not make anything these days here in the US like it and the imported stuff is universally junk, I would like to fix the Rockwell, even if I only ever put a cloth buffing wheel on that side.

Can that armature be straightened? Would doing so render the armature shaft unsafe? (it is now, as it stands, that much I know) Failing that, what would the chances be, of finding a replacement armature? (NOS or good used, I do not care which)
I really do not want to scrap this old Rockwell, hopefully that isnt my only option besides using it as I have, with only 1 wheel on it since this happened?
Also I have found 7" wheels getting harder (though not yet "impossible") to find.
 
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I have had this grinder, which is model number 208-20, for about 10 years now. Been an awesome machine. Very powerful, more so than my Dad's mid-70's Craftsman of the same HP, and WAAAY more powerful than anything of a more recent model that claims to be the same "1/2HP".
There is 1 problem with it though, and I am wondering if there would be a way to fix (or if someone may have a comparable one laying around that may be good for parts)
About 3 years ago it "ate" something I was grinding with it, and bent the armature on the right side. I briefly tried it with a new wheel on that side and it vibrated like mad so I took the new wheel off after ~15 seconds worth of free spinning. With no wheel on the bent side, if you spin the armature via the other wheel using your fingers (power "off" of course!) you can see it as being bent, as plain as day.

I have been using it ever since this way, with only the one wheel on the un-bent side. Kind of a waste having a tandem output motor and only being able to use 1 side.
Recently I found a like new Craftsman 1/2" grinder at a yard sale, looks barely used and even came with the manual. (manual shows '77 print date, certainly newer than the one my Dad has)
Plan was to mount the Craftsman grinder on the heavy Rockwell pedestal but the bolt pattern is different. While I can fab up an "adapter" easy enough, the Rockwell motor is still "electrically" fine, knowing they do not make anything these days here in the US like it and the imported stuff is universally junk, I would like to fix the Rockwell, even if I only ever put a cloth buffing wheel on that side.

Can that armature be straightened? Would doing so render the armature shaft unsafe? (it is now, as it stands, that much I know) Failing that, what would the chances be, of finding a replacement armature? (NOS or good used, I do not care which)
I really do not want to scrap this old Rockwell, hopefully that isnt my only option besides using it as I have, with only 1 wheel on it since this happened?
Also I have found 7" wheels getting harder (though not yet "impossible") to find.

Are you sure about that model number? You describe a model 23-208.
In any case, those old Rockwell macines are no longer made and parts are scarce & expensive. You will not find a new armature assembly, but you might be able to source a similar grinder that needs work that you can fix up using the balance of your good parts.
A pic would be nice.....
 

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I've restored a couple of these and the others are correct. The chances of finding an armature are next to nothing. Like you mentioned I'd put a buffing wheel on that side and keep going.

Then scour Craigslist nationally and OWWM for a "Delta Triple Duty Grinder"
 
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I've restored a couple of these and the others are correct. The chances of finding an armature are next to nothing. Like you mentioned I'd put a buffing wheel on that side and keep going.

Then scour Craigslist nationally and OWWM for a "Delta Triple Duty Grinder"

I was thinking of the buffer wheel on the UN BENT side an leave the bent side bare.
I may have been off with that model number, didnt write it down when I was in the garage.
 

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I'd try to straighten it, what have you got to lose? Best if you have a dial indicator, but could be done without it. Mark the high spot, and give it a light tap with a lead hammer. Recheck, did it move? If it did, you have an idea of how much force it takes to move it a little. If it didn't, tap it with a little more force. Keep working it and checking it. May end up having to replace the bearings, shouldn't be a big deal if you can get it straight.
Good luck, Jim.
 

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I hope you get it to work!
Worst case scenario I have one of these grinders and am looking for tool rests for it...
I will gladly buy the ones off yours or if we can find another you get the armature and I get the tools rests
 

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a lot of those old Rockwell grinders were simply re-badged Baldors.
 

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a lot of those old Rockwell grinders were simply re-badged Baldors.

Hard to say for sure w/o a pic or a confirmed model number, but many of the 7-inch grinders I've seen from that era had Marathon motors. They had a unique oval shaped end bell for added clearance.
 
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Hard to say for sure w/o a pic or a confirmed model number, but many of the 7-inch grinders I've seen from that era had Marathon motors. They had a unique oval shaped end bell for added clearance.

Yes, quite true. My buddy has a vintage 7" or 8" Rockwell. I'll see if he can take a few pics and I'll post them.

I would imagine a machine shop could straighten this for you. I don't see a lot of folks parting out vintage grinders. I'd go to OWWM. I've been a member for over 10 years and if you're going to find vintage machinery parts, this is the place.

http://www.owwm.org/viewforum.php?f=83&sid=13580d85270a311158ecb20ae6e221e3
 
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In the meantime, here's my 7-inch w/Marathon motor

Mine's not as nice, it's been "used" but it looks just about exactly like mine.
\Does having a marathon motor or being a rebadged baldor make the chance of finding a replacement armature any better?
is there a conversion chart between Baldor numbers and Rockwell Delta?
 

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I believe that the short answer to your question is: Yes, it can be straightened.

The challenge will be finding somebody who can do it... and then paying for it.

But, it may well be worth doing as these old triple duty Delta grinders fetch top dollar these days. And for very good reason.

You can try it yourself as recommended in this thread but that is a bit risky. You don't want to make it worse.

Suggest you search OWWM as recommended and also, search for somebody who has experience straightening shafts. There are lots of situations in industry where it is cost effective to do it so there are people in this world who know how. I believe the right guy/gal can make it as good as new.

Let us know when you find somebody.
 

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Mine's not as nice, it's been "used" but it looks just about exactly like mine.
\Does having a marathon motor or being a rebadged baldor make the chance of finding a replacement armature any better?
is there a conversion chart between Baldor numbers and Rockwell Delta?

Most Rockwell grinders have the motor manufacturer's name at the bottom of the label. My 7-inch says "Marathon", while my 6-inch Rockwell reads "Baldor".

Can you take pics of the grinder and the nameplate? Even if it is a Baldor it won't be much easier to buy just the rotor/shaft. It was custom manufactured for Rockwell, and probably not a standard model.
 
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reviving an ancient thread, I looked after a few replies, mine is a Marathon motor.
 

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I'd try to straighten it, what have you got to lose? Best if you have a dial indicator, but could be done without it. Mark the high spot, and give it a light tap with a lead hammer. Recheck, did it move? If it did, you have an idea of how much force it takes to move it a little. If it didn't, tap it with a little more force. Keep working it and checking it. May end up having to replace the bearings, shouldn't be a big deal if you can get it straight.
Good luck, Jim.

What this guys said.
It's not rocket science to straighten the shaft. I think you'd be surprised at how easy it is. While you've go it apart, spin the bearings by hand and if they don't feel perfect, get replacements from a bearing supply house, they are cheap.

I've straightened lots of shafts this way, and I'm no rocket scientist.
 
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