Old Sioux All Angle Drill - Need Help!

[slowlearner]

Newbie here.

My latest eBay prize is an OLD Sioux All Angle Drill. Just like the seller said, it works, but.....not surprisingly, it needs lube. I don't want to run it much until I re-grease the gears. Problem is, getting to them.

I've never had one of these, and don't know much about them. This appears to be an early (wartime?) model. Most of them split the case lengthwise. This one is split around the middle. I've checked out the patent: 1938 (see http://www.jitterbuzz.com/furn/sioux_drill.jpg), but only one page is visible.

The cases are held together by the two big screws at the back. Then, I think I can take out the armature by removing some cagework, but I doubt I can get at the gears that way.

There's a sleeve around the chuck, with sort of a triangular flange (very elegant). I don't know if this is threaded on (haven't tried to twist it. What worries me is that, in the upper right corner of the flange, there looks to be the remains of a broken drill bit, as if some one tried to drill out a screw or pin staking the flange. Not sure if you can see it in the third pic.

Before I start to screw this thing up, I hope to hear from anyone who's ever torn one of these apart. For comparison, the last pic is the later model. No flange. Looks much easier to get in to.

Thanks for any suggestions!

 

[Outlawmws]

I've never seen this particular drill before, but:

Open the chuck all the way and sometimes the chuck is held on with a screw down the middle. if not its threaded on and will need unscrewed.

You might also get lucky and the chuck will come out with the triangular flange.

If the drill bit is not interfering with removal of the triangular plate, ignore it until that is out of the way...

 

[slowlearner]

Thanks Outlawmws,

After posting, I remembered the thread (yours?) about removing the chuck from a power drill. I'll try that first. Reason I'm concerned about the bit piece (if that's what it is) is it's more or less flush with the top of the flange. So it would prevent unscrewing the sleeve.

Will report back later. It's all aluminum castings, so I'm trying not to force anything just yet.

 

[rsanter]

Get online and try to buy parts fo it
Likely you will find an exploded view that will tell you something

Take a wire wheel to around the chuck, almost looks like there as a screw there

Bob

 

[larry4406]

I have the same one, i got it from my dad who got it while in the army. All i have done is replace the cord which was done by removing the screws in your second picture allowing the end to come off.

I hope someone chimes in on this as the gears in mine sound like they could use some lube as well.

Your trigger is also brazed just like mine.

 

[darkk]

You guys are chicken....get some tools and start taking it apart! It ain't any good sitting there looking pretty. If you break it for real, it still just sitting there looking pretty.

 

[Outlawmws]

You guys are chicken....get some tools and start taking it apart! It ain't any good sitting there looking pretty. If you break it for real, it still just sitting there looking pretty.

Patience is a virtue grasshopper. He who destroys, to repair, has lost the way.

 

[JASTECH]

Outlaw, The Sholin Mech, lol
+1, Take your time. Don't create more repairs unless you needed.

 

[slowlearner]

OK, an update-

I got the chuck off with just one (clockwise) tap on the allen key (easier than I thought). I found 4 screws holding the sleeve on. Got that off easily -found no stake or through hole like I worried about.

With the sleeve off, I found 3 screws holding the plate covering the gear chest. Thought that might thread off, but eventually I just tapped it off with a plastic hammer and a small drift. It's a cast (& machined) bearing plate. There's a sealed bearing on the shaft, and a (1.5"?) bevel gear at the back of the shaft. The other (pinion?) gear has a screw on top of it, but it's hard to see how to access it unless I pull the bearing off the chuck shaft. (Sorry no pics just now.)

There's actually a lot of grease on the gears. From the noise, and other old drills, I thought it would be dry. The grease isn't even hard, but it's a brown red color like dried blood. Doesn't even smell too bad.

I'm starting to think that the gear whine just comes with the angle gear train in this kind of drill. I'm tempted to just try to clean out the grease I can (with Q tips?) And put some more (extreme pressure?) grease in there. Let sleeping dogs lie............

What I DON'T want to do (again) is tear something down and leave it for weeks/months, and never get back to it properly.

Thanks for looking. All thoughts are welcome.

 

[larry4406]

Slowlearner - pics please showing what and where.