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Old VCT flooring installed in 1981

efncrx

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Hello GJ, I'm a new member here! Bought my first house in late October of 2011! Came with detached 24x48 insulated/sheet rocked radiant floor heat! Pretty awesome Iif you ask me! :)

Anyways back to the current topic. My garage/shop/heaven whatever you wish to call it was built back in 1980 and vct tile was installed throughout, the following year. The area was used for auto repair and a machine shop for over 25years commercialy!

Pictures coming later tonight but in my 3 years of use thus far its been swept and moped. Thats it! Maybe the vct of today is just **** quality, but I cant eff my floor up no matter how hard I try.. did I mention I lay steel right on it and weld?

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Ill take better ones later!
 
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With all the curiosity about VCT flooring, I can't wait to see yours !
If it's what your saying , it should keep the NA Sayers at bay .
 

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Hello GJ, I'm a new member here! Bought my first house in late October of 2011! Came with detached 24x48 insulated/sheet rocked radiant floor heat! Pretty awesome Iif you ask me! :)

Anyways back to the current topic. My garage/shop/heaven whatever you wish to call it was built back in 1980 and vct tile was installed throughout, the following year. The area was used for auto repair and a machine shop for over 25years commercialy!

Pictures coming later tonight but in my 3 years of use thus far its been swept and moped. Thats it! Maybe the vct of today is just **** quality, but I cant eff my floor up no matter how hard I try.. did I mention I lay steel right on it and weld?

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Ill take better ones later!

Ah...nothing a little wax can't cure!:thumbup:
 
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efncrx

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You sure that isn't VAT? (Vinyl Asbestos Tile)

They stopped using vat around the late 70s I believe. The previous owner installed these with his brother sometime after the slab cured and the radiant heating was all finished. (1981-82)

Ive got some spares and they are vct, took them to hd and they are Armstrong if im not mistaken. Here is a photo showing the edges where it meets bare concrete;
(Around 30years of floor jacks cheery pickers ect rolling over it.)

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I'll have to mop and sweep these photos are terrible lol :)

But seriously this floor is great, and it's very well used!
 
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That stuff is pretty indestructible. If you need to pull a tile out just heat with a torch and it should come right out. I have put more cvt over my first layer instead of stripping. Just need to make sure it looks ok at the doors and isn't too high. I don't think I would go over 2 layers because at some point it will all have to come out. Getting a second layer off the first is easy. Getting the first layer off concrete is not fun. I think of my first layer as the subfloor. I have 4 laundromats. All but one have 2 layers. I have them buffed every week and stripped and waxed once a year. Clean with cool water and a tiny bit of dish soap. The OPs floor can be brought back to almost new minus the scratches and divots if there are any.
 
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^I'm curious to what kind of buffer you use? Which pads ect! I'd love to refurb mine! They are a real pita to pull in the center takes lots of patience with a scraper and heatgun! I've got some scratches and dents from dropping heavy items but I feel like the majority would sand/buff out!
 

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I have seen 20+ yr old floors buff right up to a wonderful shine. Grocery stores mind you but never the less , shine right up.
 
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Not a credible source imo. Didn't see mine anyhow since it is not VAT. It is VCT.

The fact you posted twice in here makes me assume you have something against VCT trying to discredit my floors survival story. :dunno:

not at all. sorry of you thought that was the case.
I was on course 2 weeks ago about asbestos & learned that buildings I'm working in had VAt installed well into the 80's. (tiles tested to prove it)

I won't post in here anymore...
 
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Could also be a Canadian thing. The box of spares didn't mention anything of asbestos but it was prettt rough from soaking up some water over the years being under a work bench.

I totally agree they used VAT tiles until the above mentioned dates I however believe in this case VCT are installed in my home garage.
 

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VCT's with asbestos are generally the old 9 in. square tiles layed pre-80's. I may be wrong but don't think the VCT floors in the OP pics will just "buff out". The pics are not real clear but to me, it appears the wax has been abraded completely off of the tiles over the years and now the tile composition itself has actually been abraded. ....

Yes, it survived well in a harsh working environment which proves the tenacity of VCT. But the OP's tiles will have to be stripped/sealer applied and 4-5 coats of high solids wax applied. Even with this work being done on them, the tiles will never look as good as new tile because.....

Any scratch or abrasion that is cut IN TO A VCT once the wax is gone from its surface, will just show through the wax. This is why it is very important if one wants their VCT to always look great, is to try to keep the wax layers thick enough to not allow scratches to cut in to the tile itself and allow cuts in the VCT with a machine edge etc. ...

Yes, I know damaged pieces of VCT can be heated with a heat gun and removed, but the new VCT repair will always be noticable as it will not be an exact match as the existing floor, because of the way the wax has affected the old VCT vs.the new VCT.... ....

I would say trying to maintain a commercial garage VCT floor in top shiny shape with the amount of mechanical work abrasions, spills, etc. that occurs on those floors, would be a major task. ....

Most shops I know work 6 days a week, which would only allow Sat night and Sunday for a equipment evacuation, stripping, waxing and then early Monday all the tools and equipment would have to be moved back in on it before opening at 8:00 am. That is a TIGHT work schedule and hard on not fully cured wax....

Knowing this, and if I owned a commercial garage that had a GOOD concrete floor already, VCT woul not be my floor covering choice. Just plain old concrete floor with a densifier/sealer most likely would be the only thing put on the floor. No tiles, no epoxy, no paints, nothing to create a high maintenance floor. ....

The grounds maintenance staff at work thought they would "beautify" their 60' x 80' shop's concrete floor where they maintain their commercial mowing/grounds/snow removal equipment. The staff put down a two part epoxy flake. Yep. it looked great for 6 months, now it looks like hades with cuts,flakes,oil stains embedded and it shows dirt worse now and looked better to me before, as just a sealed concrete semi smooth floor...

If a commercial garage floor is badly pitted or spaulded (sp?) then the vendors/contractors on here has the solutions I would say. I for one being a facilities manager, do not create high maintenance projects for the buildings owners. It doesn't bode well with their spending budgets/profit margins and makes them unhappy with me. :) ALL JMO though
 
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^ I completely agree. I don't plan on ripping mine out and redoing it, so hopefully sanding and rewaxing will make them look a little better. I wont be abusing them nearly as hard as the PO. Thanks for your imput. They're durable as hell that's for sure.
 

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That floor certainly has held up well, that's for sure! Why don't you try a commercial stripper in a small area prior to going through the trouble of trying to sand the floors. You might be surprised how well it'll clean. Might just be enough to satisfy you. If you remove any of the tile make sure the mastic isn't black, if it is then it contains asbestos. An installation during that timeframe is questionable as to whether or not asbestos containing materials were used.
 
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efncrx

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That floor certainly has held up well, that's for sure! Why don't you try a commercial stripper in a small area prior to going through the trouble of trying to sand the floors. You might be surprised how well it'll clean. Might just be enough to satisfy you. If you remove any of the tile make sure the mastic isn't black, if it is then it contains asbestos. An installation during that timeframe is questionable as to whether or not asbestos containing materials were used.

Sounds like some sound advice thanks man!
 

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I would also try some Simple Green and a stiff floor brush. It might remove the grease better than the stripper. You will probably have to experiment. Just don't let whatever chemicals you use stay on the floor too long. Too much stripper will cause the vct to lift.
 
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efncrx

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I would also try some Simple Green and a stiff floor brush. It might remove the grease better than the stripper. You will probably have to experiment. Just don't let whatever chemicals you use stay on the floor too long. Too much stripper will cause the vct to lift.

Ill give the simple green a shot first since thats cheap and easy scrub, then shop vac up.
 

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If they are 12 inch it is vct asbestos tiles are smaller.

Not true- VAT came in 12x12 and 9x9, although 12x12 is less common. If you have black adhesive under the tiles you need a professional to remove. You can't sand the tile either if it has asbestos.
 
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