Old vise help

[funzalo]

Does anyone know anything about this vise. patented on January 10th 1903 I haven't been able to find any information. I have several old vises but I couldn't help myself and just bought it I hope I didn't overpay but as long as I like it I'm happy. Any information would be great. Im new to the site so I apologize if this not the correct place to ask this question.

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[bl00]

That's cool!

This looks like the patent info for the vise. It relates to the ratcheting mechanism /gear teeth.
https://www.google.com/patents/US82...X&ei=NstzUtO6O-axiwLCpYD4CQ&ved=0CDgQ6wEwADgK

What do the levers do? It kinda looks like you would crank the handle to close the vise and then use the levers to really put the squeeze on something.

 

[uart]

Man that is a one sweet looking vise/anvil combo.

If you don't mind me asking, what did you pay for it.

 

[bl00]

The patent was assigned to the Hoosier Jack And Combination Tool Company of Indiana.

 

[funzalo]

Paid $85 the levers are used as a way to tighten the vise not sure if they were originally longer with wood handles I doubt that

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[funzalo]

Thanks for the info


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[wildcatvette]

That's cool!

 

[uart]

Paid $85

That's a great price for that thing, I'll pay that in a heartbeat.

BTW. Now that you've told us the price don't be offended if people here tell you that "you ****". That's actually a complement around here.

 

[funzalo]

The base of the handles are angled the opposite way as the frame of the crank handle so when you have th vise lightly holding something you just pull the levers to really crank it tight also works as a quick release but if its clamped really tight you need to really reef on those levers so that's why I wondered if they were originally longer

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[funzalo]

Just wondering about where to mount it and what my uses for it will be

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[Outlawmws]

That is not just a vise/anvil it's also a horizontal drill press, of you dig the gunge out of the tip of the main screw, you should find the thing is a tapered hole, I'm going to guess Morse No.2. If so, std tapered bits will go in there and you crank on the handle to turn the bit. the item being drilled goes against the opposite jaw.

Nice find, but I'd leave it mounted basically like it is, and clamp it to the edge of a work bench or in a B&D Work Mate so you can make major adjustments as needed.

 

[funzalo]

I'm going to check that out right now


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[uart]

That is not just a vise/anvil it's also a horizontal drill press, of you dig the gunge out of the tip of the main screw, you should find the thing is a tapered hole, I
m going to guess Morse No.2. If so, std tapered bits will go in there and you crank on the handle to turn the bit. the item being drilled goes against the opposite jaw.

That's a screw thread on the cranks isn't it. So that means that the drill would always advance by a fixed amount for each rotation of the crank right? How well is that going to work for drilling various different materials?

 

[Outlawmws]

No, its a cam action vise, look at the top vise at the two handles... and notice the hand crank is spring loaded...

 

[funzalo]

Just got back from cleaning the hole on the crank and there is a set screw in there is a set screw

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[funzalo]

Set screw

 

[funzalo]

I thought it would hold bits from a bit brace but it doesn't

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[funzalo]

There aren't any threads on the crank handle just a sprain you can push the spring forward to access the set screw

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[funzalo]

The part that moves is the anvil it slides on the ratcheting track toward the Vise jaw and then you use the levers to tighten

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[funzalo]

Pics

 

[uart]

The part that moves is the anvil it slides on the ratcheting track toward the Vise jaw and then you use the levers to tighten

Ok thanks, I was thinking that the crank screwed the right hand jaw up into position and then the cammed levers provided a quick action lock/unlock on it. I was wrong.

So it looks like the crank actually does nothing then, I mean unless you can get a drill bit into it as outlaw says. Is that correct?

 

[funzalo]

After some cleaning found some broken pieces in the hardy hole I still have a lot of cleaning to do on this its been soaking in gear oil for 3 days

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[funzalo]

I can see drill marks on the face of the anvil so you were right about the drill press

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[uart]

I can see drill marks on the face of the anvil so you were right about the drill press

Yeah I noticed that too. Plus with the set screw you found, it must be there to hold some type of rotary tool.

BTW. If used as a drill press, does it have any way to give a mechanical advantage on the "press" part. Or is it merely whatever body weight you push on it, like and old brace and bit for example. I mean it looks like the spindle just turns the drill, and there's no mechanical means to advance it, other than just pushing the spindle in against the spring. Is that right?

 

[Outlawmws]

So it used a straight shank Drill? What size? 1/2"?

 

[funzalo]

Not sure the blunt edge of the set screw would hold a straight shank bit when using on hard materials

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[funzalo]

You can push the handle forward about 2 inches or you can use the levers to move forward to inches other than that you would have to physically move the anvil forward

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[Outlawmws]

Not sure the blunt edge of the set screw would hold a straight shank bit when using on hard materials

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Just grind a flat on it, and it will hold. You are only talking hand pressure.

Thinking about it, I'll bet they had a chuck with and arbor to fit the hole, and the arbor had the flat ground into it.

 

[EDGAR]

I think the mechanical advantage while drilling is achieved by moving the tightening levers at the same time the drill crank is turned. This way the drill bit would be forced forward by the jaw tower instead of just spinning over the material. The spring thing is probably just to be able to change whatever bit is used. I think it would be difficult to apply enough pressure by hand, while at the same time turning the crank, to drill any hard material. It might be able to use cut down shank drill bits if there is not a drill chuck with an arbor available as stated by Outlawmws. Making one should be relatively easy.