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Junkman

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I had a friend that had a small collection of phones that he "acquired" as a repair man for the phone company. That was in the 1960's, and phones like that were already scarce. If you really want a working model, I think it would be prudent to purchase the "restored" one for the $300. You might find one for less on ebay, but will it work?
 

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The one pictured is a wall conversion of a desk phone. Rarity of that particular phone may make it worth $300- but I wouldn't give 10 bucks for one of them because they sucked when the conversion kit was installed. BTW, the handset in the pic is incorrect, and it shouldn't have a coilcord from set to handset either on that model.

There are still tons of 500 series Stromberg wallphones available fairly often for just removing them.

Now genuine payphones are a slightly different matter due to a minor problem obtaining keys.
 

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I just read the listings for phones on that site, and whoever writes the copy is pretty damn liberal with the truth. Claiming rotary dial phones go back to the 1930s when the XY switch didn't exist in most US exchange offices is pure fiction.

Now, if anybody is really interested in old phones I can look in my barn. I know I have one of the few remaining test sets for the Stromberg Carlson Dial X plant phone systems still. Lookin at those prices sure makes me wish I hung onto more phones.
 

JohnZ

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My wife got me this replica pay phone (has touch-tone buttons where the dial holes would normally be) for my garage office a couple of years ago; it's more for decoration than anything else, but it works fine. :)
 

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mhoffm911

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I have sold many old phones over the years at auction. The big oak wall phones with old style ear piece are the most expensive.

I suggest you also look in local antique shops. I know the antique mall close to us has them.
 
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Dammit Junk the word is spelled JUNQUE.

Remember the smile you got on your face when you picked up 4 boxes at the Post Office.

The barn is 24 x 24, two stories. Then there are 2 40 foot storage trailers, and a few other stashes.
NOW, go find me a firetruck collector!
 

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One thing to know is that you get a real, not modern repo, old phone is that it will need a real 4 wire hook up to ring. This can be real rare in these days of solid state phones.
I had given my son a genuine, Western Electric, made in Indianapolis, IN rotary wall phone, with a 12 hand set wire, for his garage.
When his wife began to work out of the house, the phone guys came and installed a “separate” DSL line. Everything would work fine until some one would call the old home number. Those calls would drop the DSL line.
It was the need for the old phone to have the high power to ring the bell.
Almost all homes no days have a four wire drop from the pole, but only use two per phone number. The DSL guys had used the 2 “extra” witres for the DSL number.
I told him to get the phone co guys back. He would need either another drop from the pole for her or get rid of the old phone. He disconnected the old phone and everything worked fine.
When he showed the phone to the DSL guys, they had never seen one like it, or even heard of a 4 wire phone. It was a real “generation gap.”
He ended up replacing it with a cordless phone. It works even better than the 12 foot wire he had on the old one.
 

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Actually the problem with DSL and old phones comes from total system incompatibility. DSL sends a digital string from the CO to the phone that tells the local ringer to make noise.
Conventional telephone superimposes an AC ring signal onto the DC talkpath (2 wires) from the CO to the phone that rings the bell in the phone with CO power.

It's just 2 steps down line from the 80s when 25 pair cable from the 1A2 cabinet to the 5 line phone was replaced with 4 wire from phone to the Ekey cabinet. It saved a lot of copper & plastic and eliminated a lot of manhours of install time.

The number of people in the phone industry, be it wire connected or celular who actually understand the workings of a phone system are very few. If you wnat entertainment watch the collection of "engineers" and "technicians" it takes to set up and kick off a tower site. The antenna people and the cable people might relate to each other, but the antenna people cannot begin to relate to the transmitter people and transmitter "engineers" absolutely refuse to deal with the receiver "engineers" or the switch people. It gets funny FAST. Fortunately there are large budgets and plenty of folks to sign change orders, so the consultant can make money.
 

Steve in Mi

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There are at least 4 of the rotary phones on my same two wires that supply my dsl - all works fine here. Now if At&t would bump up the speed. Where I had 2.6 three years ago I'm now at 2.3 on the 3 MBS service. I have a bunch of phone gear from the 70's and early 80's if you need replacement parts. I buried several underground phone cables between the house and shop one of which I use for 2 land line phone numbers but most for low voltage switching of yard lights and security monitoring.
 

Matt Matthews

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The only 4 wire phones I am aware of are 2 line phones. And princess phones, and the additional 2 wires on princess phones were from a power supply/ transformer that were required to light the keys or rotor. Old rotary phones were 2 or 3 wire the third wire being a ground, hardwired to a certain pin for partylines. When partylines were obsolete we would cut the ground to clear most inside trouble. Any W.E. rotary I know of will work just fine on one pair, Tip and Ring its all continuity. And all the old drops were single pair. good luck on your search. I have a couple old rotary wall phones and they are great conversation pieces. And for what its worth my paychecks still say Ohio Bell.

Matt
 
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