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Older US made drill presses & their use as a Milling machine?

treysoucie

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I have been on the lookout for a decent older US made drill press. My hopes are that I can find a decent single phase machine that will be precise enough to do small milling jobs. I have seen a few Atlas Model 74 units come and go on craigslist and various condition Powermatic 1150A's etc... would these be capable with their 1/2-3/4hp single 110v single phase motors of doing milling work in wood, plastic and light metal applications? I wouldnt be decking cylinder heads or anything but it would be nice to be able to do small firearm milling jobs like completing 80% AR15 receivers, taking down welds on AK47 and PTR91 receivers, etc... Also, what should I expect to pay for a working condition older atlas or even a powermatic 1150A?
 
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I wouldn't. In this case even a decent table top import mill is the way to go.

Allegedly DP bearings won't take side loads if you're looking to move your work X/Y. When I was young & dumb I tried some fly cutting on my old 20" Craftsman. The results were piss poor
 

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Even the very best of DPs won't handle side loading of the quill. You're far better off picking up a cheap mill. Ya that'd be the voice of experience talking :(
 

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I've tried that numerous times, I'm a slow learner. No matter how careful you are, eventually you overfeed and the mill grabs, and the quill flexes, and you ruin the work. Get a mill if you need to do mill work.
 

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The above shows what happens when you side load a tapered mount chuck. There is a reason mills have a drawbar to hold the cutter in position. As said above look into a mill/drill. You can find good ones in the $500-$1000 range and they will do the job you want and do make good drill presses.

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what would be a decent mill I could use as a drill press as well that would be under 1500 bucks or so? I would mainly be using it as a drill press for wood projects but I wouldnt have the space in my little 14'x16' shop for a decent floor standing drill press and a mill.
 

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what would be a decent mill I could use as a drill press as well that would be under 1500 bucks or so? I would mainly be using it as a drill press for wood projects but I wouldnt have the space in my little 14'x16' shop for a decent floor standing drill press and a mill.

Check around on Craigslist in your area frequently for an older (80's version) Enco mill/drill. I got one cheap a while back, and they are fairly rigid, overbuilt machines for what they are. They accept R-8 tooling, and are quite capable of doing small work fairly accurately, and with some skill and proper planning, even some larger tasks. Outstanding drill presses as well. They are out there for 700-1200 bucks or so, depending on condition and the amount of tooling that comes with them. Small footprint too, compared to a Bridgeport or other knee mill.
 

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Rudy Kouhoupt wrote a series of articles in one of the model engineering magazines a while back about converting a small drill press into a light duty milling machine. I remember reading it several years ago. I don't remember what was involved, but I do recall being impressed with what he accomplished. Then again, he was building small scale model parts, not gunsmithing, and Rudy was a hell of a machinist.

I've seen a few conversions over the years. The ones I've seen do away with the chuck altogether, and bore the spindle to fit one specific size of milling cutter (3/8" shank for most that I've seen). To get any sort of accuracy, the spindle needs to be bored on a lathe. The milling cutters are typically held in with set screws. Sometimes the quill bearings are replaced with ones that will take an axial load, but not always. An X-Y table or vise is also needed.

At the end of the day, you can't beat physics. My Walker Turner drill press is perhaps a couple of hundred pounds. It's a great old drill press, not heavy duty but still a better machine than even a pretty good modern consumer-grade drill press. I used it for some really light duty milling (slots and light passes in Delrin and MDF). Then I found a deal on a well-used Asian mill/drill. It weighs well over 600 pounds. I think the table alone weighs more than all of the castings for the Walker Turner.

Milling on a drill press is a bit nerve-wracking. In the back of your mind, you're always worried about the cutter chattering because of the lack of rigidity, or digging in and wrecking the quill or bearings. You need to do a fair bit of prep work to the drill in order to make it moderately usable and moderately safe, and the going will be slow. I wouldn't use it for any gunsmithing work at all unless you can tolerate a good chance of ruining the receiver.

No matter how strapped you are for cash, you're almost always better off waiting for a deal on Craigslist. Set up an alert and be ready to jump on the offer the minute you get the email from Craigslist.
 

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Rudy was an excellant machinist and fabricator, without a doubt. BUT, buying a small mill/drill is far better then dinking around with a sloppy old drill press. And much more time and cost affective. Grizzly, Jet, Smithy, Enco, etc. all carry small machines. Google mill/drill and look them over. If you can find one local on CL WITH tooling you are very fortunate.
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Rudy was an excellant machinist and fabricator, without a doubt. BUT, buying a small mill/drill is far better then dinking around with a sloppy old drill press. And much more time and cost affective. Grizzly, Jet, Smithy, Enco, etc. all carry small machines. Google mill/drill and look them over. If you can find one local on CL WITH tooling you are very fortunate.
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Agreed. In his defense, though, I think he came up with this idea when small milling machines for home hobbyists were relatively rare. As a self-taught hobbyist, he was probably documenting what he'd done to get by back in the "good old days."

More than a few articles from the 1940s and 50s in DIY magazines like Popular Science dealt with homemade machine tools-- lathes made from scrap pipe and strap iron, small horizontal mills cast from concrete, etc. There just weren't that many affordable options for home hobbyists, and I suspect that Rudy's articles have their beginnings in that time period.
 
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Does anyone have experience with the Smithy 3in1 units? It looks like i may be able to thread barrels and things with this setup.
 

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Does anyone have experience with the Smithy 3in1 units? It looks like i may be able to thread barrels and things with this setup.

They are essentially toys. Do not confuse them with a real machine tool. If one is experienced, talented and patient, it's possible to do good work in a small shop with a 3-in-1 machine. Just expect to pay your dues in frustration and fubared projects.

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would not even consider a drill press even for small milling jobs without a draw bar and r8 collects, a morse taper will not take side pressure.

IF in a real pinch one can use a two flute cutter and and make a series of holes side by side (the two flute cutter will cut a part hole), where a drill bit will not, a two flute cutter will drill a hole, a 4 flute will not clear the center,)

so with a compound vice one can set the depth and drill a hole and hen move it a 1/16" or a 1/32" and shave off the edge and keep doing that until one has a slot, but no side pressures.and this may not always work.
 

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what would be a decent mill I could use as a drill press as well that would be under 1500 bucks or so? I would mainly be using it as a drill press for wood projects but I wouldnt have the space in my little 14'x16' shop for a decent floor standing drill press and a mill.

Powermatic or Burke Millrite. Mine has a quill feed. I gave a bit under $1500 for it, plug and play.
 

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Do not use a drill press as a mill. It is not safe.

Grizzly makes a decent mill/drill for reasonable money IIRC. The sheet metal shop I do business with has one and they seem to like it.
 

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They are essentially toys. Do not confuse them with a real machine tool. If one is experienced, talented and patient, it's possible to do good work in a small shop with a 3-in-1 machine. Just expect to pay your dues in frustration and fubared projects.

jack vines

This. The 3-in-1's try to do everything and thus do nothing well.
 

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Rong-Fu Mill / Drill RF-31.

Jet, Enco, Grizzly and many others offer these exact mill/drills under their brand names. Perfect for what you want to do, it can mill light duty and drill large holes due to it's slow speed adjustment if needed.

These are little workhorses, I've got one from the early 90's I bought cheaply ($350) after it had been misused for years. They are out there if you look around.

Brand new for less than $1500 as well.
 

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Rong-Fu Mill / Drill RF-31.

Jet, Enco, Grizzly and many others offer these exact mill/drills under their brand names. Perfect for what you want to do, it can mill light duty and drill large holes due to it's slow speed adjustment if needed.

These are little workhorses, I've got one from the early 90's I bought cheaply ($350) after it had been misused for years. They are out there if you look around.

Brand new for less than $1500 as well.

I have a RF 31 in my garage. I bought it new from ENCO. Paid less then $1200 for delivered to my door on cyber Monday.

It is a great little machine. Round columns do have some draw backs, but it is making good parts. With the CNC conversion and DRO, it can do a lot. With its rigidity it has completely replaced my drill press.
 

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Just to throw some support toward the small combo mills. I have Smithy 3 in 1 that I bought new in 1992. It ran production on a catalog of model car parts I produced for 15 years. I have to say it was a stellar performer for this job and is still going strong 24 years after I purchased it.
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For small, light turning and even some of the heavier stuff it is nothing to turn your nose up at. These small machines do have their place AND their purpose and if you can afford one of these as an interim to bigger machines I say they are a good buy and very versatile is to their capabilities. I use mine almost every day. it runs great!.
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