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One Common Wire Among Multiple Hots In Conduit

pitttrack

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I searched around here and a few other places but didn't really find an answer to my question. I apologize if I am posting something that was already posted. We are putting on a deck with a covered roof and I want the ability to put in a few different switches inside the house so that we can control the exterior lighting.

Inside the house I have a PVC box which has integrated clamps as well as a 1/2 KO for conduit. Rather than make three separate UF-B runs from the interior I want to simplify things, cut down on the wire fill as well as make less stripping of the UF-B by running THHN in 1/2" PVC conduit from the switch box inside out the exterior wall up to the fan box under the roof. I got a deep fan rated box so using that as a junction won't be a problem. As it's deemed a damp location I will run UF-B from the fan box to the other desired areas, that isn't my question.

Within the conduit I plan on running 3 different colored hot THHN wires (not green nor white) in the conduit as well as the common (white) and ground (green). Many years ago an electrician told me that it was okay to use one common wire in a conduit run as long as all of the other wires were attached to the same circuit but I wanted to check it before running all the wire. I want to point out that this is all on the same breaker and isn't looking to share a common wire among different circuits. So is what the electrician told me before still valid and I won't have a problem using that same common wire for all three switches? I think this is okay as even if all threes lights were on at once as long as the load of the circuit is 15amp or less it would be acceptable, thoughts?

Switches inside will control:
Fan under roof
Lights under the roof
Lights for the back yard mounted on the roof support posts
 
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You're good to go as long as you can get it through the pvc. 1/2" PVC is absolutely miserable, especially if there are 90° bends. If it's possible, I suggest using EMT. If you have to use PVC, get some pulling lube.
 

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I agree with all sparky said but they do make at least 12/4 Romex (+gnd of course) and I see it at Home Depot. I find 14/4 Romex but not as readily. Just an option. Seems used for bathroom combo fans/lights/heater.
 
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Thanks for weighing in on it, I really appreciate it. I picked PVC over EMT as it'll be outdoors and I figured why not go with something that will be rust / weatherproof. Also I can bend EMT with my bender but using a heat gun to get the offsets to go around a joist and non 90's is pretty easy on the PVC. I have some wire lube to aid in pulling so hopefully the 35 ish feet of a pull isn't too bad with one person pushing and one pulling.

I looked for some 14/4 NM-B a short time back for a bathroom light/fan/nightlight combo and couldn't find it locally at either of the BORGs nor ma and pa shops around one electrical supply place had it but the cost made even the guy on the phone laugh.
 

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It's called a multiwire branch circuit. If you're not familiar with it ( I just read up on it over the past few days- I am a DIYer), watch this. It's a very good review along with some things that you need to know in order to wire things correctly. Multiwire branch circuit
 

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PVC might not rust but it gets brittle and emt will usually last longer.

If it's all on the same breaker there is no way to overload a single neutral. There's only one hot and neutral coming from the panel.
 

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If THHN is used, make sure it's also rated as THWN, THHN is not permitted outdoors, nor is NM cable.
 
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pitttrack

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Good points, Luckily the wire I got was rated for outdoors.... something told me to check as things have really changed with the NEC the past few years. Appreciate the 2 cents.
 

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Good points, Luckily the wire I got was rated for outdoors.... something told me to check as things have really changed with the NEC the past few years. Appreciate the 2 cents.
This isn't anything new. NM-b has never been allowed outdoors, regardless of conduit use, same with single rated thhn
 

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The one time I used UF-b it seemed little different than Romex to work with. Not sure they make UF-b 12/4.

Personally, I like and usually prefer EMT. Last place I lived required it in single family - heavy union influence on codes - and I got quite comfortable with it.
 

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If THHN is used, make sure it's also rated as THWN, THHN is not permitted outdoors, nor is NM cable.
I've seen posts like this a lot. In the past 30 years, have you seen ANY THHN that was not THHN/THWN? I have not.
I know that it did exist, but I've never encountered it in person.
 

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PVC might not rust but it gets brittle and emt will usually last longer.

If it's all on the same breaker there is no way to overload a single neutral. There's only one hot and neutral coming from the panel.
Yup.

I have 2 1.5" PVC runs on the south side of my shed for it's power and air feeds Just ~1.5ft tall and goes into the building.
I painted them last summer as they were getting chalky. I'd imagine their strength is reduced at this point.
 

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It's called a multiwire branch circuit. If you're not familiar with it ( I just read up on it over the past few days- I am a DIYer), watch this. It's a very good review along with some things that you need to know in order to wire things correctly. Multiwire branch circuit
What the OP is describing is not an MWBC, which is two hots with their own linked individual breakers and a common neutral used for them. The OP is using a single circuit with a single breaker unless I read it wrong.
 
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I've seen posts like this a lot. In the past 30 years, have you seen ANY THHN that was not THHN/THWN? I have not.
I know that it did exist, but I've never encountered it in person.
I have, suspect it was old though.
 

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It's called a multiwire branch circuit. If you're not familiar with it ( I just read up on it over the past few days- I am a DIYer), watch this. It's a very good review along with some things that you need to know in order to wire things correctly. Multiwire branch circuit
The OP is not creating a MWBC. That is something completely different. The OP's description of the circuit is a simple switched circuit times 3. Instead of a typical single switch feeding a hot and neutral to a fan, he wants to have 3 switched circuits. Feeding 3 separately switched items.
 

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no such animal exists
there was at one time....
maybe its special order

Many years ago I worked on an irrigation system at a golf course that used UF as the valve control wiring
12/4 was used in parts of it.
I got pretty good at stripping the UF,once the learning curve was over it wasnt so bad.

Did I mention how many nicks in the insulation of the UF there was from shovels?
Tanic acid in soil and lightning played havoc with the system.

Then there was the replacement of the electronic decoders that controlled the sprinkler valves
due to all the lightning damage.
I used so many 3M scotchpaks that they sent them in a 30 gallon barrel.
 

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there was at one time....
maybe its special order

Many years ago I worked on an irrigation system at a golf course that used UF as the valve control wiring
12/4 was used in parts of it.
I got pretty good at stripping the UF,once the learning curve was over it wasnt so bad.

Did I mention how many nicks in the insulation of the UF there was from shovels?
Tanic acid in soil and lightning played havoc with the system.

Then there was the replacement of the electronic decoders that controlled the sprinkler valves
due to all the lightning damage.
I used so many 3M scotchpaks that they sent them in a 30 gallon barrel.
Are you thinking of 12/3 UF-b w/ gr? Thats different than 12/4 NM-b which has 3 phase conductors (blk, red, blu) 1 neutral 1 gr. 12/4 NM-b is fairly new and is usually used for switched circuits.

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dave*99

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Would it be allowable to use 2 runs of 2 conductor UF with one carrying a switched leg and neutral and the other run carrying 2
switched legs? Probably need to tape colors on the white switched wire.
 

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I was going to suggest that - but at least one 3 conductor plus ground. Do two runs of 3 conductor and you've got an extra circuit - bug zapper or fan or whatever. But I still like the EMT or plastic if exposed - just looks better IMHO.
 

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Are you thinking of 12/3 UF-b w/ gr? Thats different than 12/4 NM-b which has 3 phase conductors (blk, red, blu) 1 neutral 1 gr. 12/4 NM-b is fairly new and is usually used for switched circuits.

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possibly,but dont remember using a bare ground as a conductor
system was DC
 

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nope it was UF
once youve dealt with UF romex,you never forget.
It was a very revolutionary system.
The idea was each zone (up to 30 sprinkler valves per zone)was serviced by 2 wires,
where normally it would have been 31 wires per zone.
Being a golf course it had some very long runs so #12 was used.
 
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