one motor multiple power tools

[nahuebsch82]

So after acquiring my first older shop tool (1950's Delta Scroll Saw) it got me thinking.....For those who know what a "hit-and-miss" motor is, has anyone ever set-up or seen a set up of older power tools that run off the same concept?

I was thinking it would be cool to have one motor running via belt and pulley to a pulley "manifold" of a sort where you can engage and disengage a pulley on this manifold that goes to that specific tool. I may have to bug my Dad for a project. No real reason other then coolness.

 

[nahuebsch82]

Interesting idea. Old factories had a line shaft powered by one large motor or water power. Big flatbelts ran from the line shaft to each machine. I they had a clutch that took up the slack to start and stop each machine. You might want to check over at OWWM.com I'm sure somebody still has a similar setup. Do you have a single cylinder engine?

No I don't I was thinking on a smaller scale and with an electric motor. But yeah a clutch system or like how bike gears free spin until you engage

Excuse my Sketchup skills but kind of like this

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[nahuebsch82]

another CRUDE Sketchup drawing

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[nahuebsch82]

Hmm, I've never seen a small one with a clutch like that. If you really wanted it I'm sure it would be possible, but for this instance I think it would be noisy and full of vibration, cost a ton in pulleys belts and decent pillow block bearings and take up too much space. Also belt guards would not be easy to make, and yes they are a safety issue. I've never attempted something like this before though, so don't let me stop you from trying something you want to! It would be cool to see. I'll look around some catalogs. Many manufacturers tried similar one motor setups in post war era home workshop tools.

I really liked the idea of a bike sprocket, free wheeling all the time unless engaged at the tool side? I dunno just haven't seen it before and thought it would be neat. not something I'd put a TON into but we'll see if I can get my Dad's interest he is the Engineer of the family.

 

[nahuebsch82]

Hmm, I've never seen a small one with a clutch like that. If you really wanted it I'm sure it would be possible, but for this instance I think it would be noisy and full of vibration, cost a ton in pulleys belts and decent pillow block bearings and take up too much space. Also belt guards would not be easy to make, and yes they are a safety issue. I've never attempted something like this before though, so don't let me stop you from trying something you want to! It would be cool to see. I'll look around some catalogs. Many manufacturers tried similar one motor setups in post war era home workshop tools.

Noise, vibration, pulleys.....danger ETC are all why we like these old tools isn't it

 

[404]

So after acquiring my first older shop tool (1950's Delta Scroll Saw) it got me thinking.....For those who know what a "hit-and-miss" motor is, has anyone ever set-up or seen a set up of older power tools that run off the same concept?

I was thinking it would be cool to have one motor running via belt and pulley to a pulley "manifold" of a sort where you can engage and disengage a pulley on this manifold that goes to that specific tool. I may have to bug my Dad for a project. No real reason other then coolness.

Motors and engines used to be much more expensive than belts pulleys and sleeve bearings. Now days not so much. If you think it is cool go for it. Add up the parts costs before you start.

 

[Squashfest81]

Just tried to Google. Delta homecraft had a setup with a table saw, Jointer, and a drill press that hinged up to the table. All on a single moter, but you had to move belts.
PS. Get a shopsmith.

 

[woody 73]

OP something like this concept only running one drill instead of several tools at one time or am I not even close???

 

[nahuebsch82]

OP something like this concept only running one drill instead of several tools at one time or am I not even close???

I'd love to have the real thing, but I was thinking of just the concept of one motor with multiple tools and a belt or even chain drive. Probably an electric motor. Cool video though

 

[nahuebsch82]

Just tried to Google. Delta homecraft had a setup with a table saw, Jointer, and a drill press that hinged up to the table. All on a single moter, but you had to move belts.
PS. Get a shopsmith.

Link? It's really not a huge matter of practicality I just like something different, old school factor and lastly a challenge

 

[rsanter]

That used to be done because it was cheaper than buying a bunch of electric motors or individual engines.
Now it is the opposite. Doing that will cost a bunch more

For the cool factor. Build miniatures.
They make miniature tool kits of mills, lathes, grinders, table saws, etc. That you build and paint and then set up a diorama. I have seen people set them up to even operate for demonstration.

Bob

 

[nahuebsch82]

I'm thinking 3 tools MAX most of which will have (if I'm not mistaken) correct size pulley on it's current motor (which would go on the clutch shaft) and on the tool it's self. As long as I have all tools that run at similar HP motor, all I have to engineer is the clutch shaft and how belts would route right?

 

[vertguy]

Link? It's really not a huge matter of practicality I just like something different, old school factor and lastly a challenge

Here you go... DeltaShop

 

[Fretters]

If you're planning on trying this, you're best off going with the traditional, time tested lineshaft system. Flat belting upto the intermediate countershafts so that you can fast & loose pulleys on either the main shaft else the countershafts, and then whetever drive belt required type leading from the countershaft to the machines.

The problem with using chains and sprockets is that if something jams, gets caught etc., something will break or be mangled, usually in a quite spectacular fashion, whereas belts will slip at a push when set correctly. Sprocket and chain drives are okay until something goes wrong, and then it just becomes a disaster in action.

 

[Squashfest81]

Thanks Vertguy. I googled, but couldn't find it. You have one? One popped on Craig's by me for like $400 the other week. Really don't need or have the space.
nahuebsch. I'm all for you building it. It would definitely look badass. I'm picturing a squarish table with one of those older craftsman dual shaft motors mounted below. 4 tools at each corner all running off the motor. tablesaw, jointer, large disk sander, and drillpress... but he's much more complicated. Keep posting, I'll follow.

 

[woody 73]

Now this one looks like fun in some Man cave shop:

 

[Squashfest81]

Just posted in your other thread. That dual shaft 3/4 is the perfect start.

 

[woody 73]

Hope you enjoy this one:

 

[nahuebsch82]

Now this one looks like fun in some Man cave shop:

Now that is just awesome!

 

[woody 73]

Another one this time using an electric motor:

 

[vertguy]

Thanks Vertguy. I googled, but couldn't find it. You have one? One popped on Craig's by me for like $400 the other week. Really don't need or have the space.
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Not yet, but I am seriously considering one given the limited times I need several of those tools as I could free up some floor space by getting rid of my current DP and table saw, while also adding a cool factor to the garage.

 

[the gypsy]

I remember seeing this idea on a magazine.I will try to describe what I saw. Basically it was a table with a plumbing tube running from one rear leg to the other perfectly horizontal. With a motor mounted on a plywood slightly bigger than the footprint of the base of the motor. Towards the rear of the plywood, there was 2 u bolts/clamps that would have the plumbing pipe run through it to allow for the motor to be slid along the pipe to align the motor with the appropriate tool which would be mounted permanently on the bench, the weight of the motor would keep the belt tight.

 

[Squashfest81]

Page 37 for the line shaft.
I just spaced out shuffling through that craftsman coolness.
Nice download.

 

[rick carpenter]

I was talking with an Amish disaster aid worker in Galveston after Ike and he described this set-up in his shop. It was powered by a diesel, with the diesel outdoors being important.

 

[Jere]

Sounds like it might be time to buy a used shopsmith. Tablesaw, lathe, router, shaper, drill press, drumsander and like a hundred other things. They have branded add on tools like bandsaw and beltsanders, but you can add on your belt driven tool of choice. You just need a pulley a belt, some clamps and some plywood. Then you can bolt the tool down to the plywood and clamp the plywood as needed. You can also shorten the shopsmith foot print if you don't use the full bed by just cutting the way tubes shorter. The speed of the machine is variable sort of like how CVT transmission s in car work.

 

[454ragtop]

Pretty sure Walker Turner used to make a setup like that, remember seeing it on OWWM. I have Yates combo machine, which is a table saw, jointer, and disc sander, all in one machine, driven off one motor. Pretty cool, use it fairly regularly.
Jim