Oneida super dust deputy vs DIY kit

[JVB]

I recently purchased a dust collector and looking to convert into a 2 stage unit. Have all the parts ready minus a separator/cyclone. Is the super dust deputy worth the 175$ range over the 20$ Separator kit or would you see similar results between the two?

Cost is not a huge concern to me between the 2 just want the better option as my kids help in the shop with me fairly often. Have seen good results with both but did not see many comparisons.

Oneida is a side entry top exit , diy kits are usually top entry and exit . What design has the best capabilities?

Also open to any other options as well.

 

[mikepelchy]

I built my own using a barrel and some PVC fittings a while back but I wasn't super impressed with how it was working so I got the Oneida DIY cyclone kit and put it on my own 5 gallon bucket for about half the price. I image I could have put it on something larger like a barrel but for the size is pretty convenient.

This is the one I got. https://www.oneida-air.com/anti-static-dust-deputy-diy-cyclone-separator

 

[guy48065]

Depends which $20 kit.

I built one inspired by projects at
http://www.jpthien.com/smf/index.php?board=1.0

Mine is made from a section of concrete tube & plywood. The motor on top is a multi-stage blower with a stack of thin impellers that can't tolerate nails or chunks passing through. The "Thien separator" seems to work as well as a cyclonic separator.

For use only as a separator just substitute a hose fitting for the blower.

I like the looks of the 5" Super Dust Deputy separator and would prefer that one & use my own barrel.

 

[gnpenning]

I have a large stationery PSI, a 30 gallon metal garbage can and I think 10 gallon metal garbage can. Both the garbage can ones I bought the fittings and put them on the lid. Used some foam tape on the under side. They do a great job and percentage wise for getting most the dust out are in line with my PSI unit.

I should mention I don't use much MDF. I do have a drum sander that I run off either the 30 gallon or the PSI system and both most of the fine dust stays in the can/drum.

I would go with the diy lid.

 

[dogdog]

if you have time and interest in these things... maybe this site is also interest to you... even though I have the smaller version of the Oneida... the differences is the efficiency of the size of the smaller particle it can pick up I think... larger particle/dust, almost all of them can filter... few member here I think have the $20 Chinese ones and reported good results... if you decide to go COO.... Oneida and ClearVue are two competing companies for consumer markets...


This site might worth a look... or if you can get metal for cheaper than they sell pre-build units... when i spec out the same build out of metal ( the smaller one) it's 2 sheet of 2'x2' and I needed a roller..

http://billpentz.com/woodworking/cyclone/

http://billpentz.com/woodworking/cyclone/cyclone_plan.cfm

 

[dogdog]

I recently purchased a dust collector and looking to convert into a 2 stage unit. Have all the parts ready minus a separator/cyclone. Is the super dust deputy worth the 175$ range over the 20$ Separator kit or would you see similar results between the two?

Cost is not a huge concern to me between the 2 just want the better option as my kids help in the shop with me fairly often. Have seen good results with both but did not see many comparisons.

Oneida is a side entry top exit , diy kits are usually top entry and exit . What design has the best capabilities?

Also open to any other options as well.

I think the are different designs... does the same thing... both have DIY plans.

 

[JVB]

I appreciate all the replies. Many things to read and look into.

My buddy had a set of the diy ports he was not going to use. Figured I would try them out but may get a dust deputy to compare true results.

What way would you suggest on the placement ? The box shows ports facing 180 degree off of each other . I also see many with good results with the port straight down the middle .

 

[gnpenning]

At 2 I have look more like picture number 2.

 

[Jim_No_Garage]

I have a Clearview Mini-04 cyclone that I use with a shop vac and a 4" inlet home built separator based on the Thein baffle design that guy48065 referred to. I used the Mini-04 for sanding and with my bandsaw. I break out the 4" collector for the thickness planer and the tablesaw.

The 4" collector started out as a basic 150-200 cfm Cincinnati fan lid sitting on a garbage can with a cheap cotton filter bag. The filter bag would get filled with fine (and coarse) saw dust during regular operations. I pulled the fan unit and built a Thein separator and now 99% of the fine (and coarse) sawdust ends up in the garbage can and a tiny bit in the filter bag. I haven't replaced the filter bag with a larger/better model (ie American Filter Fabrics) since the existing fan/impeller isn't large enough for what I'm trying to do so I am biding my time to make a jump to a larger unit.

My understanding of the physics is that you want Option #1 - with the "exit" port in the middle and the "inlet" port on the perimeter. You want them as far apart as possible to let the dust "settle" out of the airstream.

Cheers

Jim

 

[JVB]

At 2 I have look more like picture number 2.

Thank you for the reply.

I have a Clearview Mini-04 cyclone that I use with a shop vac and a 4" inlet home built separator based on the Thein baffle design that guy48065 referred to. I used the Mini-04 for sanding and with my bandsaw. I break out the 4" collector for the thickness planer and the tablesaw.

The 4" collector started out as a basic 150-200 cfm Cincinnati fan lid sitting on a garbage can with a cheap cotton filter bag. The filter bag would get filled with fine (and coarse) saw dust during regular operations. I pulled the fan unit and built a Thein separator and now 99% of the fine (and coarse) sawdust ends up in the garbage can and a tiny bit in the filter bag. I haven't replaced the filter bag with a larger/better model (ie American Filter Fabrics) since the existing fan/impeller isn't large enough for what I'm trying to do so I am biding my time to make a jump to a larger unit.

My understanding of the physics is that you want Option #1 - with the "exit" port in the middle and the "inlet" port on the perimeter. You want them as far apart as possible to let the dust "settle" out of the airstream.

Cheers

Jim

I do hear good things on thien baffle. I may cut a lid out of scrap ply and test both for best results. I say I am overthinking it as with my research it seems both options work well. I think my dust collector is going to be the weak point of my system and will want to upgrade that eventually as well.

 

[mike93lx]

if you are worried about air quality (for you and the kids), you still need filtration. cyclones just keep the big stuff out of the filters, not everything.

 

[JVB]

if you are worried about air quality (for you and the kids), you still need filtration. cyclones just keep the big stuff out of the filters, not everything.

10-4 .
I have a canister filter that states 99.9% efficient.