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Open gear ratchet comparison: Wright vs. Thorsen

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A couple of guys asked me to do a comparison of the two open gear ratchets that I have: a classic Thorsen 77 and a Wright 4480. Both are 1/2" drive and in NOS condition. It's an unscientific comparison, no micrometers involved. Just basic characteristics that the average Jo mechanic would find useful.

Note: If someone has an Indestro 1/2" open gear I'd ask that you post up the specs of it, also any other brands of open gear rats that I'm not aware of.

Without further ado:
Thorsen on top, Wright on the bottom.
 

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Here's a pic of the two along with some other 1/2" drives rats I have. Vintage Duro, Vintage Herbrand, Bonney, and EASCO paint brush handle. Comparable lengths overall, with the open gear rats slightly longer. I guess that attests to the design's strength advantage, so the manufacturers felt safe in allowing more torque through the longer handle.
 

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Weight:
WR 1 pound 7.4 ounces
TH 1 pound 3.5 ounces

Length:
WR 10 3/8"
TH 10 1/8"

Head diameter at widest point:
WR 1 3/16"
TH 1 3/8"

Number of teeth on gear:
WR 30
TH 30

Gear width:
WR 1/2"
TH 7/16"
 

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The back drag is very close on them - if I had to pick the lower of the two it would be the Thorsen. But they are both very low drag.
Also, the reversing pawl on the Thorsen is very triangular, and only protrudes past the body on the active side - the other side is inside the ratchet. Not so on the Wright. In either position both ends of the pawl stick out past the head. But - in the Wright's favor - the pawl is angled and thinner, so - even though it sticks out - there's little chance of reversing accidentally. And the drive gear being wider has got to help with torque and wear concerns.
The finish on both is immaculate. Depending on whether you prefer knurled or ergonomic handles might sway you to one or the other. To me both were comfortable to hold, though -in the spirit of full disclosure - I prefer round, knurled handles. The slight differences in length and weight IMHO don't really matter much. Though hefting all day long the Wrights extra 4 ounces might.

The Wright has the advantages of a longer, ergonomic body, narrower head, and yet a wider gear. The Thorsen is shorter, lighter, has a lower back drag, and a round knurled handle. Plus the pawl only sticking out on one side lets you "feel" for it and not have to guess which direction to switch it.
However, swapping out a rebuild kit in the Wright is much easier. Remove an allen screw in the gear drive and it all comes out. The Thorsen requires driving out a hidden pin - but with no rebuild kits available for it that is kind of a moot point.

All in all I think the Wright takes it....but only by a little! :)
 

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Ok I’m trying to get my puny brain around the idea that an open head ratchet is stronger. What makes it stronger? What are the other advantages of an open mechanism rather than a sealed head?
 
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Ok I’m trying to get my puny brain around the idea that an open head ratchet is stronger. What makes it stronger? What are the other advantages of an open mechanism rather than a sealed head?

I don't really know why open gear rats are "stronger". (I have S-K roundheads that I've torqued on for years without problems). I suspect that it has to do with the pawl size. Being external to the gear head, an open gear pawl can be thicker and bigger than sealed head versions, because it doesn't have to be made to fit inside the head. Just a guess.

An advantage is ease of cleaning, though it's alot easier for dirt and crud to get in there, too. Thorsens have the spring clip cover which helps, but it's not a sealed mechanism.
 
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I'm jealous of that Thorsen. I've never seen one that clean, even on ebay.

It's a real beauty alright.

I got it from the classifieds here IIRC. Was looking for a 1/2" to complete my triple play of those.
 

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.....An advantage is ease of cleaning, though it's alot easier for dirt and crud to get in there, too. Thorsens have the spring clip cover which helps, but it's not a sealed mechanism.

I just got a tip about this.

"In one of the threads about open heads, someone, Lauver I think, thought the open rats may have come from a military base. My inventor buddy developed ratchets for the military and strength and durability in harsh environments were the most important traits so it makes sense that the open gear may have a military connection. He developed a pawless ratchet based on his design for the pawless ratcheting wrenches. While the open ratchet is easy to clean, and for that matter to lube, his ratchet would simply grind up any grit into dust and it would fall out of the ratchet. His design was not open, but it was not sealed either.

He said they normally gave tools to Marines to test and they liked it but the marketing guys never approved it for production".
 

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Great ratchets bonneyman!

This is my open gear ratchet.

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Shoot, that's different! :shocking:



What brand is it? Can you take some measurements and post them?
Top brand from Japan.

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