Smiles79
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Found this listed for free on Facebook. Says it doesn't run, I asked for more info.
Anyone know anything about it? Does it look complete?
Anyone know anything about it? Does it look complete?
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Orsterlen Horizontal Mill
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bmwrd0
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Free is good, free goes quick. I would jump on it quickly, and worry about things later.
bmwrd0
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Upright. With a lot of tie downs holding it very steady on a trailer.
But, as I said, free goes quickly, so if you had to, on its back in a pickup bed, tied down and driving very slowly. Keep in mind, that thing probably weights a good 750+ pounds. By the way, that mill has a vertical head. Look closely at the pics, and you will see it.
ETA: the more you can disassemble on it, and reduce the center of gravity, is the best thing you can do when moving something like that.
But, as I said, free goes quickly, so if you had to, on its back in a pickup bed, tied down and driving very slowly. Keep in mind, that thing probably weights a good 750+ pounds. By the way, that mill has a vertical head. Look closely at the pics, and you will see it.
ETA: the more you can disassemble on it, and reduce the center of gravity, is the best thing you can do when moving something like that.
Roberts210
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Disassemble as much as you can.
acer66
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I would jump on it just because it looks cool.
Good luck OP.
Good luck OP.
slowtwitch73
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Looks 100% complete for free.
tombell572
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That may not be the correct spelling--could be Oesterlein. I think it's a fairly unusual machine, nothing on the Lathes UK site, Practical Machinist had a thread on a horizontal in 2008: https://www.practicalmachinist.com/forum/threads/oesterlein-mill.155815/.
Tom B.
Tom B.
dutchgray
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Have you picked it up yet?
It will be gone in no time.
It will be gone in no time.
dutchgray
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He probably has 100 messages in his inbox.Can't get the guy to message me back
Thanks for the link, doesn't look like the same machine though. The only information I can find on an Oeseterlein mill is the #2 Universal mill, which looks much different than this one.That may not be the correct spelling--could be Oesterlein. I think it's a fairly unusual machine, nothing on the Lathes UK site, Practical Machinist had a thread on a horizontal in 2008: https://www.practicalmachinist.com/forum/threads/oesterlein-mill.155815/.
Tom B.
tool_scrounge
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Check here
Oesterlein Machine Co. - Publication Reprints | VintageMachinery.org
www.vintagemachinery.org
Thanks for the link, a lot of good info there but nothing quite seems to match up with the pictures of this one.Check here
Oesterlein Machine Co. - Publication Reprints | VintageMachinery.org
www.vintagemachinery.org
DocsMachine
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Okay... [cracks knuckles]
That's a flat-belt and plain-bearing-era horizontal mill. The spindle taper is very likely something obscure like Brown & Sharpe #9, which is similar to, but not interchangeable with, Morse Taper. B&S tooling can be found these days, but it's very rare compared to R8 or something like NMTB-40.
It has an early- like very early- Bridgeport vertical head. Bridgeport started out making heads to convert horizontal mills, before they made complete mills of their own. The head is dismantled, and you can see what's probably the motor stator sitting loose on the floor down at the lower left.
And, even once it's assembled, it'll have an MT2 spindle taper- max capacity of about 1/2" endmills.
That said, there's also what appears to be a 2-axis DRO (digital readout) fitted to the X and Y axes of the table, and either a Kurt or similar clone vise. If it's a real Kurt, that alone is worth a few hundred.
Bottom line? It's very much an involved project before you can cut a chip. Spindle speeds for either spindle will be rather limited, the vertical head motor may need serious work (or it might just need bearings- but either way it was disassembled for a reason) and repair or replacement parts for any of it will be difficult, if not impossible to find.
THAT said, it appears fairly complete. The normal overarm support appears to be on the table, along with some of the handles, the motor appears to be sitting there in the box, the motor for the horizontal spindle... I don't see anything that indicates tooling, but stuff for both tapers can be found with a little looking.
Doc.
That's a flat-belt and plain-bearing-era horizontal mill. The spindle taper is very likely something obscure like Brown & Sharpe #9, which is similar to, but not interchangeable with, Morse Taper. B&S tooling can be found these days, but it's very rare compared to R8 or something like NMTB-40.
It has an early- like very early- Bridgeport vertical head. Bridgeport started out making heads to convert horizontal mills, before they made complete mills of their own. The head is dismantled, and you can see what's probably the motor stator sitting loose on the floor down at the lower left.
And, even once it's assembled, it'll have an MT2 spindle taper- max capacity of about 1/2" endmills.
That said, there's also what appears to be a 2-axis DRO (digital readout) fitted to the X and Y axes of the table, and either a Kurt or similar clone vise. If it's a real Kurt, that alone is worth a few hundred.
Bottom line? It's very much an involved project before you can cut a chip. Spindle speeds for either spindle will be rather limited, the vertical head motor may need serious work (or it might just need bearings- but either way it was disassembled for a reason) and repair or replacement parts for any of it will be difficult, if not impossible to find.
THAT said, it appears fairly complete. The normal overarm support appears to be on the table, along with some of the handles, the motor appears to be sitting there in the box, the motor for the horizontal spindle... I don't see anything that indicates tooling, but stuff for both tapers can be found with a little looking.
Doc.
Thanks for all the info! The head looked similar to pictures of an Eklind-Lincoln I found pictures of, which I did read are hard to come by.Okay... [cracks knuckles]
That's a flat-belt and plain-bearing-era horizontal mill. The spindle taper is very likely something obscure like Brown & Sharpe #9, which is similar to, but not interchangeable with, Morse Taper. B&S tooling can be found these days, but it's very rare compared to R8 or something like NMTB-40.
It has an early- like very early- Bridgeport vertical head. Bridgeport started out making heads to convert horizontal mills, before they made complete mills of their own. The head is dismantled, and you can see what's probably the motor stator sitting loose on the floor down at the lower left.
And, even once it's assembled, it'll have an MT2 spindle taper- max capacity of about 1/2" endmills.
That said, there's also what appears to be a 2-axis DRO (digital readout) fitted to the X and Y axes of the table, and either a Kurt or similar clone vise. If it's a real Kurt, that alone is worth a few hundred.
Bottom line? It's very much an involved project before you can cut a chip. Spindle speeds for either spindle will be rather limited, the vertical head motor may need serious work (or it might just need bearings- but either way it was disassembled for a reason) and repair or replacement parts for any of it will be difficult, if not impossible to find.
THAT said, it appears fairly complete. The normal overarm support appears to be on the table, along with some of the handles, the motor appears to be sitting there in the box, the motor for the horizontal spindle... I don't see anything that indicates tooling, but stuff for both tapers can be found with a little looking.
Doc.
Any idea on model?
DocsMachine
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The head looked similar to pictures of an Eklind-Lincoln I found pictures of, which I did read are hard to come by.
-Entirely possible. I'm given to understand there were a couple makers of "conversion heads" back then, and I'm by no means an expert on the subject. It's worth noting that Bridgeport parts from back then would be hard to find, and any other brand would only be moreso, still.
(And don't get me wrong- there's a million machine tools out there whose manufacturers are long kaput, where parts can only be had secondhand. It's just worth noting that that is a project machine, and you may well run into minor missing parts, odd-sized bearings, and virtually zero documentation.)
Any idea on model?
-Not specifically, no. Looking at some pics online, yeah, that doesn't quite match up with shots of the old Bridgeport heads, and of the mill itself, there were hundreds of manufacturers back then. That one's odd in that is seems there's an accessory, possibly aftermarket electric power table feed, but not, I can't ID it specifically.
Doc.
Thanks for all your thoughts. I think I'll try to pick it up if I can get the guy to message me back. Free doesn't come around often.-Entirely possible. I'm given to understand there were a couple makers of "conversion heads" back then, and I'm by no means an expert on the subject. It's worth noting that Bridgeport parts from back then would be hard to find, and any other brand would only be moreso, still.
(And don't get me wrong- there's a million machine tools out there whose manufacturers are long kaput, where parts can only be had secondhand. It's just worth noting that that is a project machine, and you may well run into minor missing parts, odd-sized bearings, and virtually zero documentation.)
-Not specifically, no. Looking at some pics online, yeah, that doesn't quite match up with shots of the old Bridgeport heads, and of the mill itself, there were hundreds of manufacturers back then. That one's odd in that is seems there's an accessory, possibly aftermarket electric power table feed, but not, I can't ID it specifically.
Doc.