Outdoor oven?

[duneslider]

Sort of an odd one here. Feel free to tell me all the reasons this is a bad idea...

I am building an outdoor kitchen, it will have the typical grill/flat griddle and smoker and a small sink but as we have discussed this we thought it would be really nice to have an electric oven out there. We cook a lot outside all year and especially in the hot months it would be nice to run an oven outside and not heat up the house. I have found basically no info on whether or not this is a good/bad idea. It would be bascially a conventional oven installed in cabinets outside in a protected area. Can I run a 220v line just like what goes to my indoor oven? I think code calls for gfci on these inside now, which would make sense for an outdoor install more than inside?

Is this a crazy idea? Or is it just not a big deal if done right?

 

[rust in the eye]

Not sure of your climate where you are but here in Chicago summers are hot and humid, our A/C runs non-stop some days. Having an outdoor kitchen with an oven saves heating up the house even more. This also translates to baked goods year round.
Cooking stinky stuff outdoors in the winter while closed in is another plus. Wife home cooks for the dog, some of it is offal, and awful.
Ours is natural gas and designed for outdoors. If you can at all justify it, do it,

 

[duneslider]

Not sure of your climate where you are but here in Chicago summers are hot and humid, our A/C runs non-stop some days. Having an outdoor kitchen with an oven saves heating up the house even more. This also translates to baked goods year round.
Cooking stinky stuff outdoors in the winter while closed in is another plus. Wife home cooks for the dog, some of it is offal, and awful.
Ours is natural gas and designed for outdoors. If you can at all justify it, do it,

Very little humidity in Utah. I'm not crazy about gas ovens but that is an option if electric is really a bad idea. I wasn't planning to run NG to the area but I guess I could, maybe I still should. Generally speaking, we have been happier with electric ovens than gas ovens. I think most of the gas ovens I have used were on propane, maybe an NG oven works better than LPG?

Which NG oven do you have, I haven't really seen any "listed" as outdoor?

 

[larry4406]

Congrats on the outdoor kitchen/bbq space! Post some details when you get a chance.

I’m interested in your oven question as well.

On day I plan to build a covered outdoor kitchen/bbq space.

I demo’d a house couple years ago and I kept a stainless steel Viking 27” wall oven and a 36” stainless steel 6 burner range with gas oven. The oven even has an internal rotisserie. These stainless appliances are reserved in storage for the one day project.

 

[PCustoms]

I think it's a great idea for the reasons mentioned, but how do you rodent proof it?

 

[duneslider]

I think it's a great idea for the reasons mentioned, but how do you rodent proof it?

Not sure anything is really 100% rodent proof right? I have not had issues with rodents getting into my smoker or grill. They tend to stay around the chicken coup or head into the garage when it starts getting cold. I have traps out year round to keep them at bay. Temps just dropped here and I just got 4 in garage last week but its been clean since.

 

[PCustoms]

Not sure anything is really 100% rodent proof right? I have not had issues with rodents getting into my smoker or grill. They tend to stay around the chicken coup or head into the garage when it starts getting cold. I have traps out year round to keep them at bay. Temps just dropped here and I just got 4 in garage last week but its been clean since.

I'm thinking all the books and crannies (and fluffy insulation) inside a normal oven.

Brick oven (gas? Wood?) 100% go for it

 

[mm08822]

The electrical piece is not a challenge, just needs to be gfci protected. Circuit ampacity based on unit's requirement.

Im sure someone makes outdoor rated units and as mentioned, needs to be rodent proof. Critters crawling through it and leaving evidence would probably be a turnoff for many.....even if you took the grills out after use.

 

[Dig Doug]

Go FOR It

a great idea, even if you use as a warmer

we remodeled 2 kitchens and the wife said - I sure do miss my double oven …. She was against getting a another dbl oven when we remodeled

lol

something else to think about would be a Gas 4 burner cook top instead of the BBQ grill side burner

we are always making soups / sauces and then we do some canning - like home made BBQ sauce

 

[Dig Doug]

I’ve noticed a few people even have a dishwasher in their outdoor kitchens


they just keep it loaded and store the gear in it - dishes pots and pans & utensils and after use just run a wash cycle
saves from hauling everything in /out of the house

 

[PCustoms]

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[Chuckster in NJ]

I put my old wall oven outside last year to take it to the dump and 4 days later when I went to lift into my truck it was occupied by at least 8 mice…….. I sprayed some brake cleaner into the nook and crannies to flush these effers out.
These little effers get into everything including gas grills so I highly suggest avoiding placing the oven outside and vermin proof anything where they can get into.

 

[wyliesdiesels]

Sort of an odd one here. Feel free to tell me all the reasons this is a bad idea...

I am building an outdoor kitchen, it will have the typical grill/flat griddle and smoker and a small sink but as we have discussed this we thought it would be really nice to have an electric oven out there. We cook a lot outside all year and especially in the hot months it would be nice to run an oven outside and not heat up the house. I have found basically no info on whether or not this is a good/bad idea. It would be bascially a conventional oven installed in cabinets outside in a protected area. Can I run a 220v line just like what goes to my indoor oven? I think code calls for gfci on these inside now, which would make sense for an outdoor install more than inside?

Is this a crazy idea? Or is it just not a big deal if done right?

are you planning on having any other branch circuits for such things as lights, general use receptacles, refrigerator, small appliances etc?

if so, I would run a branch feeder to a panel and then run a branch circuit from that subpanel to the oven.

 

[duneslider]

are you planning on having any other branch circuits for such things as lights, general use receptacles, refrigerator, small appliances etc?

if so, I would run a branch feeder to a panel and then run a branch circuit from that subpanel to the oven.

Interesting thought. The area currently has a few outlets that I was planning to use. I don't have plans for a lot of other electrical devices. Really just the smoker uses a little 120 and I was planning on a couple of lights more for task lighting as the general lighting in the area is already complete. I am not sure it warrants another subpanel out there for just the oven and maybe one circuit? Unless, you think there is a compelling reason to do one? I guess if I place the panel in a convenient location I could possibly use it for some outdoor landscape lighting and a little power for a shed. I'm just not sure where to put the panel that it wouldn't be an eyesore and be convient since you aren't supposed to bury them in a cabinet...

The area is basically a covered patio on the back of our house.

 

[wyliesdiesels]

I am not sure it warrants another subpanel out there for just the oven and maybe one circuit?

so you already have a subpanel for this outdoor kitchen?

 

[walta]

My in laws got an old yellow range with 2 ovens for free. It lived on the covered outdoor patio in phoenix for 20 years. They used it often. I did replace the thermostat for the oven at some point. No GFI just the old fashion 50 Amp 3 prong outlet. It was a different time in a house full of aluminum wiring.

 

[duneslider]

so you already have a subpanel for this outdoor kitchen?

Not just for that, I have a subpanel in the basement (technically all the panels in my house are subpanels) that I will be pulling this from. Around here the power comes into the main panel outside on the side of the house where the meter is and the main breaker is there and then there is a large panel inside, usually in the basement, that is technically a subpanel fed from the main panel outside, everyone calls the subpanel in the basement the main panel though. So, I have that panel and then fed from that panel I have another subpanel in the basement that would be closer to this location. So, if I were to do "another" subpanel it would be fed from that panel.

Just not sure if I want a panel out there as I can't think of where to put it that wouldn't be an eyesore and you know how the architectural committee can be.

 

[Quickstep192]

Where I live, if you leave a bolt on the deck in the morning it will have rusted away by noon. (Slight exaggeration : )

I’d be concerned about a regular steel sheet metal oven, but if it’s a good $tainle$$ $teel one it should be OK. Id also try to keep it up off the ground.

I’d guess there are ovens made for outdoor kitchens.

 

[Steve from Socal]

I spend time in a very hot region and have been using a small table top air fry/toaster over outside and have the same idea. My observation is rodents are not a problem with a well sealed unit, ants however seem to get into everything. I preheat the oven to 400 and burn the out. A full size electric would be my choice as well. In a location out of the direct weather I don't see any real issues?

 

[walta]

Consider this oven. It will hold a 9x13 pan, 12 inch pizza or a 14 pound turkey. Runs on a 120 volt 15 Amp plug and at 30 pounds you could move it easily.

We just upgraded from its slightly smaller twin after we wore out the fan motor. Make great toast. If it will fit in this oven the wife will always choose this oven.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01N5UPTZS?tag=atomicindus08-20

Walta

 

[Steve from Socal]

That is what I am using, it is OK IMHO it is not as good as a full size for many things. It does do great toast!

 

[rust in the eye]

Very little humidity in Utah. I'm not crazy about gas ovens but that is an option if electric is really a bad idea. I wasn't planning to run NG to the area but I guess I could, maybe I still should. Generally speaking, we have been happier with electric ovens than gas ovens. I think most of the gas ovens I have used were on propane, maybe an NG oven works better than LPG?

Which NG oven do you have, I haven't really seen any "listed" as outdoor?

The outdoor oven(which the wife says bakes as well or better than her $$ Bosch*) is part of big fancy pants grill no longer made, "Cabana Kitchens". It was actually made by Brown Stove Works(Tenn.?) perhaps they have something current. There are oufits that specialize in outdoor kitchens.

If you could find a deal like this I'd jump on it, this was north of $5K new; https://www.facebook.com/groups/1402513030056143/posts/2940355519605212/

*Mrs. Rust is a baker so for the home we bought her electric convection ovens, Bosch, as electric is reputed to hold a more even temperature. HA! Not these, way off but she's learned to cope. Several Bosch appliances and the internal Bosch electronics in our cooktop have also been troublesome. Bosch rant over.

 

[Notgrownup]

Consider this oven. It will hold a 9x13 pan, 12 inch pizza or a 14 pound turkey. Runs on a 120 volt 15 Amp plug and at 30 pounds you could move it easily.

We just upgraded from its slightly smaller twin after we wore out the fan motor. Make great toast. If it will fit in this oven the wife will always choose this oven.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01N5UPTZS?tag=atomicindus08-20

Walta

This is what I was gonna recommend. The6 are so convenient and portable. I have a 10 in 1 Ninja XL oven. It is great. Wait un Black Friday sales.

 

[lastill]

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This is what I was gonna recommend. The6 are so convenient and portable. I have a 10 in 1 Ninja XL oven. It is great. Wait un Black Friday sales.

I also dream about one day having an outdoor kitchen. I like this idea with the Ninja Xl oven!

Btw. in my dream scenario, a the outdoor kitchen would have this "garage door" type solution. (I have no idea if this is a good or bad idea, but I would like to be able to close it for the periods I am not using it)

https://www.pinterest.com/pin/46161964927520716/

 

[rmanrman]

I have an outdoor propane oven stainless steel one door I bought from Lowe’s about 15 years ago. Of course they are discontinued.
Rated for outdoor use but the first time used after last winter there was disgusting smoke out of the top. Well it’s not rodent proof it’s crispy critter chipmunk some how got on top of the oven. Btw you’ll need a 120 v gfci receptacle and a gas line to where you keep the oven.
Also look for one that’s big enough for two 9x12 baking pans. Thanksgiving turkey no go.

 

[Notgrownup]

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I also dream about one day having an outdoor kitchen. I like this idea with the Ninja Xl oven!

Btw. in my dream scenario, a the outdoor kitchen would have this "garage door" type solution. (I have no idea if this is a good or bad idea, but I would like to be able to close it for the periods I am not using it)

https://www.pinterest.com/pin/46161964927520716/

Son of a

 

[Lorydr]

Just not sure if I want a panel out there as I can't think of where to put it that wouldn't be an eyesore and you know how the architectural committee can be.

Panel, or box could be housed in a decor-friendly, custom enclosure, that matches the rest of the outdoor kitchen.

 

[dscheidt]

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I also dream about one day having an outdoor kitchen. I like this idea with the Ninja Xl oven!

Btw. in my dream scenario, a the outdoor kitchen would have this "garage door" type solution. (I have no idea if this is a good or bad idea, but I would like to be able to close it for the periods I am not using it)

https://www.pinterest.com/pin/46161964927520716/

Ive seen commercial outdoor kitchens in California where much of the fixed equipment— ovens, refrigerators, sink— was along a wall, and a roll up door covered it up when not in use. Seemed to zork well.

 

[wyliesdiesels]

Consider this oven. It will hold a 9x13 pan, 12 inch pizza or a 14 pound turkey. Runs on a 120 volt 15 Amp plug and at 30 pounds you could move it easily.

We just upgraded from its slightly smaller twin after we wore out the fan motor. Make great toast. If it will fit in this oven the wife will always choose this oven.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01N5UPTZS?tag=atomicindus08-20

Walta

my last air fry toaster oven died so returned it to costco and got a ninja air fry toaster oven. works amazing and way better than the last one (different brand)

https://www.amazon.com/Ninja-DCT451-Thermometer-FlavorSeal-Convection/dp/B0BRL9F8HV/?tag=atomicindus08-20

we now have quite a few ninja appliances. all work great- blender, k cup and carafe coffee maker, dual basket air fryer, air fry grill (makes amazing steaks), and toaster oven. looking at a ninja espresso maker next

 

[wyliesdiesels]

I have a 10 in 1 Ninja XL oven. It is great.

we just got the ninja DCT451 dual tray air fry oven. works amazing! love having 2 separate ovens

 

[Notgrownup]

I saw a nice air fryer oven yesterday at Sam’s club for a little over $100

 

[duneslider]

I think I would want a half-sheet-size oven for sure. I don't think the smaller toaster ovens would fit the bill. After a bit of looking one of the "commercial" countertop convection ovens might be the ticket here. Inside we have a typical wall oven as well as a large oven that will handle full-size sheets (18x26). As convenient as the small table top toaster ovens are, I think we really need a bit bigger for it to make sense.

 

[lastill]

I saw a nice air fryer oven yesterday at Sam’s club for a little over $100

watch out for cheap air friers. Some of them sadly make economy with the internal paint layer on the baskets. Once they start peeling off, they are basically poison. Sadly I have fallen for this trap, and cost me more. I had to replace the chep air frier after about 10 usages. ( *mind you hand washed all the time)

 

[Stuart in MN]

I spend time in a very hot region and have been using a small table top air fry/toaster over outside and have the same idea. My observation is rodents are not a problem with a well sealed unit, ants however seem to get into everything. I preheat the oven to 400 and burn the out. A full size electric would be my choice as well. In a location out of the direct weather I don't see any real issues?

Conventional ovens used in the kitchen aren't all that well sealed, besides getting into the insulated part in between the inner oven and outside shell, there are vents where mice could potentially crawl inside. If it's an oven with a cooktop, of course there's the drip pan area underneath the burners that would be prime real estate for them.