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I am having a hard time searching for outdoor Soffet LED lights for my house. Does anyone have a good source? At one time, Ask This Old House installed some low voltage versions, but I don't know the brand.

I have a large ranch house and would want to install 7 on the front, 4 on the side where the garage is.

Thank you in advance for your help!
 
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jade97

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This looks like a good option!

Can you Daisy chain them or do they need 120 vac to each?
 

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Wafer LED seems to be the way to go nowadays. Just pick your brand. I have installed about 30 of these so far in my house. And yes, they are daisy chained

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I replaced the eyeball lights on our front porch over the summer with these guys I grabbed from Menard's.
https://www.menards.com/main/lighting-ceiling-fans/indoor-lighting/recessed-lights/patriot-lighting-reg-6-white-100w-equivalent-dimmable-led-recessed-disc-light/rs2205/p-1530772239821-c-7499.htm?tid=-1837913264207247484&ipos=13
What a difference! You can see in the pic below when they're on, the porch is like it's in daylight. Way better even than the old fixtures with LED bulbs which were an improvement but still left the eyeball trim and filled up with dead bugs. They're outdoor and rated for wet installations. They won't work as pool lights but outdoors or in a shower they're GTG. The LEDs came with everything I could possibly need for installation excepting a screwdriver. I still have one of the boxes for reference filled with the wirenuts & sundry leftovers. Plus on top of that they're dimmable, we don't have them on a dimmer switch but that's all it would take.
 

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Thank you all for your suggestions! I just need to make a decision now and drop the cash. Next hurdle is finding the time to do the work.

I know I can't count on my electrician....he hasn't yet gotten back to me for the requested quote for wiring the hot tub I got 3 weeks ago. I ended up doing that myself, with the help of folks on this board.:thumbup:
 
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Well this answers the question on what is the best way to get some lights over or around the outside of my garage doors. I have used the wafer lights in the house and after reading all the monkey business guys are going through to get gooseneck lights mounted on the outside of their pole barns I am glad I have the doors under the soffit and not the gable ends. There is one door on the back gable end but I deal with that later. That could be just a motion or dusk to dawn flood on a water tight box with a water tight fitting in the rear. I am surprised nobody makes a mounting block for metal sided walls. They make them for siding but so far no one has mentioned they make anything for ribbed metal siding.
 

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This looks like a good option!

Can you Daisy chain them or do they need 120 vac to each?
The wafer lights are a good choice. I just mounted on for an porch light that replaced and old recessed fixture.
You can ""daisy chain" them. You just hop the wires from one fixture to the next.
 

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I installed these last weekend. They are LED and currently set for 30% illumination. They can be set to turn on at sundown or to detect motion. They were $118.00 per set of two.

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I installed these last weekend. They are LED and currently set for 30% illumination. They can be set to turn on at sundown or to detect motion. They were $118.00 per set of two.

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I installed these last weekend. They are LED and currently set for 30% illumination. They can be set to turn on at sundown or to detect motion. They were $118.00 per set of two.

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Looks nice. The entire picture is more decorative than mine so fancy lighting is not in the budget right now. Maybe later but for now I would like to just get some light out in front of the doors so when you drive up it is not just lit buy over head flood lights. I am sure my neighbors already are not real happy with the second story dusk to dawn light shining on the back yard.

So I found these lights on Amazon https://www.amazon.com/dp/B081CXNVKS/?tag=atomicindus08-20

Sorry if that is not the best way to post a link. Basically they are 7w 3 inch gimbal lights that have a 30 degree beam angle. They suggest spacing of 3.25 ft apart but that does not take into account how high they will be above the floor or driveway in my case. My soffit is 11 feet high. I am just wondering if these light will not be strong enough to really light up the ground. I suspect they will be just fine and I will likely be putting them on a dimmer and turning them down but all this depends on how many I stretch across the 75 feet of garage frontage that I would like to illuminate. The come in lots of 6 and the bronze color is as close to black as I could find. The soffit is black. I am not trying to get to fancy but I think white would stand out. 12 of them puts the spacing at 6.25 feet. I might end up changing that to avoid working under the trusses that are 4 feet on center.

Any thoughts on the idea are welcome.
 
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I have used recessed lights around a three season room that comes off the house ... you have to be careful if you want it to look right. The surface lights that you see everywhere today will give a more commercial look and can be quite harsh. I just wanted the room to glow when we are using the outside. IMO -- surface lights on the wall are a better look and better light.
 

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I don't see the answer to "do they daisy chain" which seemed to be "low voltage" and in my looking, no they don't. Each fixture has a driver and requires 120 vac. The junction box has just enough room, etc. for a Romex (I'd presume NMB for damp?) in and out - no room to branch.

I have seen a very few where 3 or 4 all plug into the same driver, and designed a system with several hundred cans and substituted product all had home runs to a central driver - used cat5 and drivers powered 32. (Definitely not poe.) Quite expensive but I assume saved wiring and labor costs.
 
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I have used recessed lights around a three season room that comes off the house ... you have to be careful if you want it to look right. The surface lights that you see everywhere today will give a more commercial look and can be quite harsh. I just wanted the room to glow when we are using the outside. IMO -- surface lights on the wall are a better look and better light.
That is a good point since that is the next step. I am really just looking for lights around or above the garage doors at the moment. I am going to need lights for under the car port area next to the house. I did not want to do the same overhead lights that are in the garage since just as you said they are very industrial looking.

The car port area is similar to the garage in that it is 30 feet deep and 25 feet wide with 11 foot high trusses. I can put lights along the walls but they are not finished nor is the ceiling. The one wall looks like the outside of a pole building, the back wall looks like the inside of the garage and the other side is the back of the house with a foot or so space between them. Decorative lighting is not called in this space yet. I was tempted to do a string of patio style lights hung up in the rafters just to give it that entertainment look but at time I am sure I will be using as a work space and will be looking for brighter lights. I think two sets of light or a dimmer switch might be needed. I think even the over garage door light will get a dimmer since I have no idea how bright 12 of the 3 inch leds will be but better more than not enough. You can always turn them down.
 

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That is a good point since that is the next step. I am really just looking for lights around or above the garage doors at the moment. I am going to need lights for under the car port area next to the house. I did not want to do the same overhead lights that are in the garage since just as you said they are very industrial looking.

The car port area is similar to the garage in that it is 30 feet deep and 25 feet wide with 11 foot high trusses. I can put lights along the walls but they are not finished nor is the ceiling. The one wall looks like the outside of a pole building, the back wall looks like the inside of the garage and the other side is the back of the house with a foot or so space between them. Decorative lighting is not called in this space yet. I was tempted to do a string of patio style lights hung up in the rafters just to give it that entertainment look but at time I am sure I will be using as a work space and will be looking for brighter lights. I think two sets of light or a dimmer switch might be needed. I think even the over garage door light will get a dimmer since I have no idea how bright 12 of the 3 inch leds will be but better more than not enough. You can always turn them down.

You have to decide how will you use the building -- if there will be times where you will want to be out in front of the doors at night there may be a valid reason for having an overhead garage type light over each door. Something like a porcelain look of years ago. They provide nice directed light and it's up high enough that it does not blind. You can get them at reasonable prices. Lots of people would stick 4 carriage lights along the front and IMO that's not very good light to do anything in front of the doors --- to get any kind of output the bulb needs to be bright and then it's in your face.

The first picture has some flash wash -- but it shows 4 down lights. You can see how they cast a shadow on the building ... but they do not blind as you walk to the space when all the other lights are off. They are small and plenty bright enough -- 50w incandescent equivalent. Take a look at your down lights ---- you will have a triangle of light at each point. The surface wafer type up in the soffit -- would be very harsh.

Most people want enough light so they can see the building at night -- walk to the building door. Often this does not require much. I have used simple explosion look fixtures on some buildings ---- they look good on metal buildings. A simple one sticking out from a wall with a low watt bulb (40w) works very well ... it's just enough to do what needs to be done -- get safe pathway to the door. They make them on a goose neck as well. Same with the garage --- I have used the porcelain type wall washer by a door when I want more light that does not blind.

For the car port you may want something that is more surface lighting for times when you need lot of light -- working out there or moving things around. It's best when you think about layers of light .. have it set up where you can only turn on one of the surface lights .. or have a couple of other down lights for when you just what some light.

At times working in my back yard driveway -- I have a big spot light. I don't use it very often -- but some times you want a lot of light
 

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Good food for thought. I like the idea of the cage lights for a building like this. They do cast the style light that many exteriors have. They do a nice job of shining light down on the walkway in front of the building with out flooding the entire area. I could see doing four across the front of the garage for just casual lighting. That style also works and looks like you would not have to worry so much about it finding a flat surface on the exterior wall. They look like they are in the $23-25 dollar range so the price is close to the 6 3inch gimble wafers. As I mentioned I would probably do 12 of the 3 inch and run them the full length of the soffit. I may be the easiest but when it gets right down to it just running all the wire and lights takes time. I also run one flood at the peak of the rear gable. The garage doors I think need to be on their own 12/2 circuit. If I keep all my lights in LED I doubt I will ever exceed the wire's capacity. I have also been told that since it is just a personal shop it is unlikely I will ever have enough running all at once to exceed the 20 breaker it larger equipment like compressor or welder, heater are on their own branch. I have noticed how much light you can bring to a front porch with the wafer lights. I have a front porch that has just one very bright light in the middle. It is nice but actually annoying as hell once you get past the idea that at least it is nice to have more light than you need. The cost of a dozen 3 inch pods with directional Gimbal $172 is pretty cheap with out the dimmer switch. I think they should also be on a low light switch so they come on at dusk but at a cut back level. If you really need to work on washing your motorcycle at night in the driveway cranking up the lights might be needed. I am thinking I might really want to learn how much concrete a one man show can float out. I can see pouring in blocks of manageable size. I have no idea how much is in a truck but I guess it cannot be to complicated to figure out. Anyway I am going to order the lights so I have something to work with and then I will post some photos and you all can give me a critique
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And while I am thinking about ti I am going to go ask how to build out the interior walls.
 
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