Outdoor tile

[tmike14400]

Hi,
I'm planning on installing about 100sf of outdoor porcelain tile within the next couple weeks. I've never done this before. The porch in question had a decent sized crack running through it for years. I slathered on a cement patch a couple years ago but that didn't last. To prep for the new tile, this time I'm patching it with hydraulic cement. The pictures show the area after I cleaned out a lot of the crumbling patchwork and afterwards with the first application of hydraulic cement. I will make sure the base is level before laying the tile. I live in the midwest and we get yearly temps from -5 to about 100. I'm concerned the crack will re-appear and cause the tile to crack also.
Do you guys think the hydraulic cement is a good choice and what else do I need to do to avoid the tile from cracking?
Thanks in advance.
Mike

 

[akdiesel]

I have to ask. What is the difference between indoor and outdoor porcelain tile?
Do you have the correct mortar for outdoors? This I feel is more important than a typical indoor / outdoor tile.
As for the patch work. The only thing I can add is use a bonding agent for the old and new cement.

 

[Angelfire]

There are a number of systems out there to address cracks prior to tiling. Some have you put down a mesh type fabric over them and then fill the crack with a caulk like material. Personally, and I'm not a pro so let's wait for them to respond, but I would probably look for some type of membrane to lay over that crack then tile over that. This would allow the crack to move under the membrane yet the tile remain in place. There are liquid membranes you can apply with a roller or brush but for that size crack, I'd be inclined to look at something in sheet form that could be cut and layed down.
Cheers,
cc

 

[slickgt1]

If it were mine, I would drill through those steps, dig out 2 foot holes, rebar, and pour concrete down the whole to make sure those areas would never ever move again. If you click on my links in sig, I had a bigger problem with a moving section of floor in my garage.

 

[JimVonBaden]

I can't help much with the cracking issue other than to say that if it is still moving you will have issues with your tile eventually. It may be a small issue or a large one depending on the amount of movement.

Anyhow, I just finished a similar project:
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=128013&page=11

Went from this:

To this:

Porcelain Tile, outdoor approved tile cement and grout.

Jim
Jim

 

[akdiesel]

Hi,
I'm planning on installing about 100sf of outdoor porcelain tile within the next couple weeks. I've never done this before. The porch in question had a decent sized crack running through it for years. I slathered on a cement patch a couple years ago but that didn't last. To prep for the new tile, this time I'm patching it with hydraulic cement. The pictures show the area after I cleaned out a lot of the crumbling patchwork and afterwards with the first application of hydraulic cement. I will make sure the base is level before laying the tile. I live in the midwest and we get yearly temps from -5 to about 100. I'm concerned the crack will re-appear and cause the tile to crack also.
Do you guys think the hydraulic cement is a good choice and what else do I need to do to avoid the tile from cracking?
Thanks in advance.
Mike

Trying to get a grip on your statement as to what the hell is outdoor tile. Maybe your cornfused.
I did help you in some with your last question.

Do you have the correct mortar for outdoors?

The only thing I can add is use a bonding agent for the old and new cement.

Your welcome.

 

[Craftsman86]

If you are having an issue with cracking and want to til over it, there is a product called Crack Buster Pro that you should look into. This is a crack isolation underlayment that will prevent your tile that you lay over the top from cracking. I have used it on several tile jobs and have had nothing but positive experiences to date.

 

[TAMPAGT07]

Honestly, I'd only use pavers for the exterior..

 

[Dakota00]

Honestly, I'd only use pavers for the exterior..

Why?? Because porcelain tiles, lava and granite stone slabs are no good for the exterior??

 

[slickgt1]

He clearly missed my post before Jims. I told him exactly how I stopped my HUGE *** floor from further cracking or moving. Not like you would have to tear out the whole shebang and start fresh. And I have a 5000lb SUV going over that same floor 6 times a day.

It was a bit of smart *** thing, but scroll up, and read what I said, then click on link in my sig to see pictures of what I say.

 

[Craftsman86]

I have also posted a product that I have used professionally over an area with cracks. It is not the least expensive option out there but yields great results.

 

[Jack Olsen]

I cleaned out the threads that weren't about outdoor tile.