Outswing door

[rodster_67]

I'm considering installing an outswing door in my garage, but since they seem to be as rare as hens teeth, it's next to impossible to get information much less see a door in person without ordering and prepaying.

Could anyone be kind enough to post some pictures of your outswing door and include the brand?

I'm looking mainly at threshold/sill area and the seal around the door. Pretty sure security hinges are standard.

Thanks.

 

[GTO]

Not really that rare,any millwork house can fabricate a outswing pretty easily.REEB millwork is in Bethlehem right near you.

 

[Cyberbear]

Out swing exterior doors are seldom used, mostly due to snow buildup and security purposes. I also presume you want a steel door for those purposes. Using a pre-hung exterior door that swings out often means simply turning it around and making whatever adjustments that are needed to arrange such an installation.

 

[rodster_67]

Yes, I've used REEB before. Not 'rare'? Find one for me to look at.

I've priced one out at REEB and think it came in around $240. 6 panel steel, nothing fancy.

Would still like to see one in person (or pictures) before I ***-ume I know what I'm getting.

 

[joe_padavano]

Out swing exterior doors are seldom used, mostly due to snow buildup and security purposes.

Hinges with built-in pegs solve the security issue. So do hinges with non-removable pins.

Global warming solves the other problem...

 

[Netman]

Out swing exterior doors are seldom used, mostly due to snow buildup and security purposes. I also presume you want a steel door for those purposes. Using a pre-hung exterior door that swings out often means simply turning it around and making whatever adjustments that are needed to arrange such an installation.

An outswing door will use nrp hinges and a completely different sill configuration. An outswing unit has weatherstrip on the sill like used on the jamb that the door shuts up against, where as an inswing usually has sweep on the bottom of the door.

 

[wssix99]

it's next to impossible to get information much less see a door in person without ordering and prepaying.

You probably see these all the time on commercial doors. The telltale is usually the lock protector:

In addition to having hinges with a permanent pin, you'll need one of these plates to make it harder for someone to manipulate your latches. A full length one should also give you some additional protection against crowbars, etc.

 

[southalabama]

Outswing doors are often required by code for commercial buildings.

Shouldn't be hard to find.

 

[GTO]

Yes, I've used REEB before. Not 'rare'? Find one for me to look at.

I've priced one out at REEB and think it came in around $240. 6 panel steel, nothing fancy.

Would still like to see one in person (or pictures) before I ***-ume I know what I'm getting.

What's to look @,they swing out have a different sill and have NRP hinges.

 

[rodster_67]

Outswing doors are often required by code for commercial buildings.

Shouldn't be hard to find.

They are not hard to find as in order and buy, but no one around here stocks them for residential use.

What's to look @,they swing out have a different sill and have NRP hinges.

The different sill and the way they are weatherstripped.

 

[G8rDuc]

Probably doesn't help but this is the door on my garage.


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[James-W]

They are not hard to find as in order and buy, but no one around here stocks them for residential use.

They don't stock them because they are not normally used in residential construction. Commercial buildings use them because it is a requirement that the doors swing outward, or slide sideways. In case of a fire, or any emergency where people need to get out of the building quickly, having a door that swings inward would not work out well. People would be pushed against the door and it could not be opened.

 

[rburke65]

I had a metal "out swing" door installed on my shop. It is under a 20'x20' porch. They won't be kicking in the door that's for sure.

 

[rodster_67]

Thanks for the info and pictures folks. I'm sure outswing doors are a lot harder to kick in.

In this particular case, the builder took the cheap route and installed an exterior inswing door 'backwards' for the entry to my garage and I'm trying to decide if it's worth ripping out and replacing during my remodel. Maybe I'll just rip out the aluminum sill and change the weatherstrip to a lighter color and call it a day.

I'm a bit fearful of the RO being too tight if I replace the whole unit. I had that happen on my detached garage door. Bought a Therma-Tru door from 84 lumber when I built the garage. Fast forward 20 yrs when I replaced with the exact same door and the unit size increased! Not a pleasant experience.

 

[MikeinNorthWales]

General Supply is on Baglyos Circle in Bethlehem. They are a commercial hardware company. You may be able to talk to someone there.

 

[rodster_67]

General Supply is on Baglyos Circle in Bethlehem. They are a commercial hardware company. You may be able to talk to someone there.

Thanks, I'll check it out.

 

[bczygan]

You probably see these all the time on commercial doors. The telltale is usually the lock protector:

In addition to having hinges with a permanent pin, you'll need one of these plates to make it harder for someone to manipulate your latches. A full length one should also give you some additional protection against crowbars, etc.

I have an outswing door with a protector like that on a small shed, where swinging the door in would waste space.

The other thing you will need is a closer.

Bill

 

[JCQuick]

Here's a pic of my outswing door. I'm sorry I don't know the brand I bought it from a commercial door place here in town. I paid $470.00 for door and hardware Incl non removable hinge pins and a 4" header on top of the frame. Add another $100 for dead bolt and lock handle

 

[nadogail]

Home Depot sold me a fine pre hung out swing door.

 

[larry4406]

I have one of each type of door. I have an inswing B-label door from the garage to the house, and an outswing B-label door from the garage to the adjacent patio. Attached are pictures of the sill conditions for both.

Inswing Door (2x6 wall version shown):
- Sloped exterior sill
- Adjustable threshold
- Sweep on bottom of door mates with top surface of threshold

Outswing Door (2x4 wall version shown):
- Sloped exterior sill
- Fixed curb style threshold with gasket/seal to mate with the bottom edge of the door
- No Sweep on bottom of door
- Non-removable pin (NRP) type hinges

 

[Norcal]

In non-residential construction a door has to swing out for safety reasons, in a panic situation you do not want people piling up against the door preventing it from opening, which would be the case when a door swings in, a steel frame & door should not be hard to find, not cheap though.

 

[rieferman]

The other thing you will need is a closer.

Bill

Good point. You would be amazed at how much air an outswing door catches, like a sailboat sail. A heavy duty closer will protect the door from slamming against anything and damaging either your building or the door.

 

[jives]

I have outswing double doors on my garage, but they outswing to a covered patio area. Takes ups less interior space when left open, which is the purpose of double (French style) doors. Sorry, no pics of the sill.

 

[captain14]

Would a door classified as ADA be acceptable for this application? They swing out and should have all the weatherstripping in place.

 

[chops101]

Here in South Florida, outswing doors are the norm and the only allowable option per hurricane codes.

Many, many take offs can be bought around here when upgrades are done, as also the usual HD and Lowes carry full lines of everything imaginable - all outswing of course.

 

[rodster_67]

Home Depot sold me a fine pre hung out swing door.

Does the sill look similar to the pictures below?

I have one of each type of door. I have an inswing B-label door from the garage to the house, and an outswing B-label door from the garage to the adjacent patio. Attached are pictures of the sill conditions for both.

Inswing Door (2x6 wall version shown):
- Sloped exterior sill
- Adjustable threshold
- Sweep on bottom of door mates with top surface of threshold

Outswing Door (2x4 wall version shown):
- Sloped exterior sill
- Fixed curb style threshold with gasket/seal to mate with the bottom edge of the door
- No Sweep on bottom of door
- Non-removable pin (NRP) type hinges

Thanks Larry! Your outswing door is what I would expect.

Mine is similar but different. The weatherstripping at the bottom is the same and there is no sweep. The interior sill on my door is aluminum and slopes in and the external sill is aluminum and flat which doesn't seen right for an exterior door. Maybe it's a steel interior outswing door? I'll post some pictures later.
Thanks again.

 

[Nowater]

Here in South Florida, outswing doors are the norm and the only allowable option per hurricane codes.

Many, many take offs can be bought around here when upgrades are done, as also the usual HD and Lowes carry full lines of everything imaginable - all outswing of course.

What he said. My new doors are all outswing.

 

[rodster_67]

Would a door classified as ADA be acceptable for this application? They swing out and should have all the weatherstripping in place.

Probably 40" wide and expensive.

Here in South Florida, outswing doors are the norm and the only allowable option per hurricane codes.

Many, many take offs can be bought around here when upgrades are done, as also the usual HD and Lowes carry full lines of everything imaginable - all outswing of course.

Interesting.

Maybe after hurricane Sandy the northeast will be seeing some of your codes! I installed hurricane ties on my garage roof trusses just because they were cheap and easy and glad I did. My 16' garage door was blown in, never considered needing to reinforce it until now. Replaced it with a heavier insulated door.

 

[chops101]

Probably 40" wide and expensive.



Interesting.

Maybe after hurricane Sandy the northeast will be seeing some of your codes! I installed hurricane ties on my garage roof trusses just because they were cheap and easy and glad I did. My 16' garage door was blown in, never considered needing to reinforce it until now. Replaced it with a heavier insulated door.

Yes - Cat 5 Andrew in the 90's was responsible for much of the Dade County codes in force today, some of the tightest in the US. From the Keys to W. Palm Beach adopted these codes.

And OT / Our garage doors must be Cat 5 survivable, horizontal bracing every couple feet (each about the size of a 2x4) and/or a vertical "I" brace(s) placed top to bottom when a hurricane warning is issued. Tracks and hinges are also heavy duty. Fun Stuff.

 

[MikeF]

You probably see these all the time on commercial doors. The telltale is usually the lock protector:

In addition to having hinges with a permanent pin, you'll need one of these plates to make it harder for someone to manipulate your latches. A full length one should also give you some additional protection against crowbars, etc.

I install alot of commercial entry doors in the metro detroit area. The latch guards are a great starting point for pry bars. Doors that open out are code around here for commercial building.

 

[lakeroadster]

My "Lester Building" came with a 4-way metal door. It can be set-up at the job site in any configuration, left hung, right hung, swing in or swing out.

A.J. Manufacturing, Inc. http://ajdoor.com/

Hope that helps

 

[LS6 Tommy]

I always thought it was funny that commercial and public building doors must open out and every residential door I've ever seen opens in...

Tommy

 

[rodster_67]

I always thought it was funny that commercial and public building doors must open out and every residential door I've ever seen opens in...

Tommy

Yea, that is funny.... talk about different codes.

Here are pictures of my attached garage outswing door. I don't like the look of the aluminum sill on the inside and may tear it out during my remodel and replace with something like this from HD.

http://www.homedepot.com/p/Frost-Ki...Fixed-Sill-Bumper-Threshold-BT37-36/204752554


As well as replacing the brown weatherstrip with tan or white.

 

[wssix99]

I install alot of commercial entry doors in the metro detroit area. The latch guards are a great starting point for pry bars. Doors that open out are code around here for commercial building.

I'm not sure how prying on the latch guard would be any different than prying on an inswing door between the door and the stop? They do protect the latch and buy some more time.

The outswings are required here, also. I've seen security video of hoodlums going through these things, without the latch guard, in two seconds. The pry bar just goes in between the door and the jam and then a credit card pushes the latch back.

No matter how you protect these things, the outswing doors are very hard to keep secure. Obviously, the full length guards are better than the smaller latch guards, but they are always going to be easier to pry open.

 

[wssix99]

I always thought it was funny that commercial and public building doors must open out and every residential door I've ever seen opens in...

Tommy

It's easier to appreciate when the commercial building catches fire and you have 200 people running for the door at the same time and the crowd all stacks up on the door so it can't possibly open inward.

 

[AndrewDouglasBird]

I lived in a place here in Oregon that had an out-swing door. Immediately inside the door was a 38"x38" or so landing (just big enough to hand a 36" door) with a door on the left into a bedroom, a door on the right into the garage and stairs straight ahead to the main living area. No room to swing inward, or at least if you did, you would be blocking one of the other doors. It didn't have a lock protector plate or any kind of closer and was a pain in windy conditions.

I took the trim off to shim the catch side as the door didn't fit right and found a 1-1/2" gap above the door (covered only with trim on each side) and only 4 finish nails holding the whole door frame in place. Shims only in one spot on each side of the door. That place was built so cheap.