Overhead Service Drop Attachment Hardware

[mm08822]

I'm looking for a simple through-the-wall overhead service lateral attachment clevis. I can't find them with a long enough bolt or large enough diameter.
I need this arrangement but with a 10-12" 5/8" threaded bolt....



I'm only finding 3/8" x 5" long bolts.


The existing o/h service lateral has a lot of tension on it and is pulling sheathing, siding and fascia off of house. I want to do the repair by putting support on the attic side of 3-4 gable studs and only pass through the wall covering.

The components I have found seem to be of limited availability and/or piece-wise build-up to make the complete assembly. I don't really want to purchase piece-wise to find out something doesn't fit upon arrival b/c of limited product info before ordering.


I'm amazed that this isn't much easier to source as one item.

Know of any good reliable brands/suppliers?

 

[mike93lx]

If you have to piece it together, maybe a coupling nut and threaded rod for an extension?

I assume you have dug through catalogs from known manufacturers?

 

[mm08822]

If you have to piece it together, maybe a coupling nut and threaded rod for an extension?

I assume you have dug through catalogs from known manufacturers?

I thought of that but not liking it and still need the 5/8" diam.

I've been through several catalogs and used various ways to describe it for searching. It seems to be all of the same stuff offered.

 

[PCustoms]

I thought of that but not liking it and still need the 5/8" diam.

I've been through several catalogs and used various ways to describe it for searching. It seems to be all of the same stuff offered.

You're electrical supply house doesn't have anything in stock to test fit?

I know I've seen the ceramic insulators on a shelf somewhere next to some big *** bolts, just can't think where/why...

 

[mike93lx]

I thought of that but not liking it and still need the 5/8" diam.

I've been through several catalogs and used various ways to describe it for searching. It seems to be all of the same stuff offered.

I bet you may need to either use threaded rod and a nut or file the opening of that 8475 fork to square and run a long carriage bolt.

 

[Bert_]

You need a clevis and then you use whatever length bolt you need.

 

[drmarkr]

Ace carries 5/8 all thread for $4 in a 12" length. They also have a variety of clevis' that you could probably rig to work? If you need a roller check the drawer/cabinet hardware. A few nuts/washers and you'll have built them yourself so you know they'll fit.

Assuming you have an Ace nearby....

 

[mm08822]

You need a clevis and then you use whatever length bolt you need.

Allied Bolt was the only one I found with an insulator and clevis but I couldn't find anyone selling it. Know of anyone else making a clevis/insulator combo?

The bolt is easy enough.....either a carriage bolt or all thread.

 

[Bert_]

Here's a couple different clevises that I have. These are a common part, most electric supply places will have it

 

[PCustoms]

Microlectric AN428 Heavy Duty Clevis, 5/8 in, 11/16 in Round Clevis Mounting, Steel

Microlectric® Clevis, Heavy Duty, 5/8 in Clevis Back to Pin O.C., 11/16 in Round Clevis Mounting Type, For Use With: IB135 Insulator, Steel, Hot Dipped Galvanized, 3-1/4 in L x 4 in W

franklinempire.com

Plus the 5/8 bolt and you're good to go.

Edit: I see bert_ and I are in the same page

 

[mm08822]

Ace carries 5/8 all thread for $4 in a 12" length. They also have a variety of clevis' that you could probably rig to work? If you need a roller check the drawer/cabinet hardware. A few nuts/washers and you'll have built them yourself so you know they'll fit.

Assuming you have an Ace nearby....

I know I could rig up something but I want/need listed parts for the purpose. Also the porcelain piece adds a little challenge. If it was just aircraft cable, it would be easy enough to find many choices.

 

[mm08822]

Here's a couple different clevises that I have. These are a common part, most electric supply places will have it

For sure the one on the right! Any mfr/part #'s?

 

[Bert_]

For sure the one on the right! Any mfr/part #'s?

Not off the top of my head. You buy the clevis, bolt, washer, and nut separately. It's all hot dip galvanized.

 

[Codyboy]

Me , I would drive around until I found a POCO crew or POCO crew contractor.
Ask them for a 5/8x12 eyebolt. You really don't need an insulator on the house unless the POCO requires it.
We never did.
If you just want or need an insulator, ask them for a fork and spool (insulator), 5/8x12 bolt and nut (they come with a nut) and a 2x2 inch washer.
A fork and spool is the last Pic in the op.
Those guys have tons (literally) of hardware on their truck.

If you were closer I'd give you one.

 

[PCustoms]

For sure the one on the right! Any mfr/part #'s?

https://franklinempire.com/media/document/i/d/idw_document_d10e6f48d0ee539651790d591ee5b85f06b009c5c5966f68f0e8a6f4ad836ee2.pdf

 

[mm08822]

Microlectric AN428 Heavy Duty Clevis, 5/8 in, 11/16 in Round Clevis Mounting, Steel

Microlectric® Clevis, Heavy Duty, 5/8 in Clevis Back to Pin O.C., 11/16 in Round Clevis Mounting Type, For Use With: IB135 Insulator, Steel, Hot Dipped Galvanized, 3-1/4 in L x 4 in W

franklinempire.com

Plus the 5/8 bolt and you're good to go.

Edit: I see bert_ and I are in the same page

These guys are north of the border and I'm not seeing local/US sources!!

 

[PCustoms]

These guys are north of the border and I'm not seeing local/US sources!!

Follow the other link I posted, seems to be a T&B part

Edit: idk, more Canadian websites.

What did supply house say?

 

[Codyboy]

Just curious why there is so much strain on the service drop that its pulling the facia away.

Our spec was the POA had to withstand 75 lbs of pull. That was a normal 1/0 service drop for a 200a service on a house.

 

[mm08822]

Not off the top of my head. You buy the clevis, bolt, washer, and nut separately. It's all hot dip galvanized.

Is the clevis on the left meant for a pole or would it be able to be drawn up tight to a flat surface?

 

[mm08822]

Me , I would drive around until I found a POCO crew or POCO crew contractor.
Ask them for a 5/8x12 eyebolt. You really don't need an insulator on the house unless the POCO requires it.
We never did.
If you just want or need an insulator, ask them for a fork and spool (insulator), 5/8x12 bolt and nut (they come with a nut) and a 2x2 inch washer.
A fork and spool is the last Pic in the op.
Those guys have tons (literally) of hardware on their truck.

If you were closer I'd give you one.

I was thinking of the eyebolt with just all galvanized hardware and a giant fender washer on the backside, too. Not sure if POCO will get involved. (Last guy in the POCO planning dept I spoke to (on another topic) was a real DH....105% by the book...drone-like!)

 

[Chuckster in NJ]

How about welding a piece of 5/8” rod on a short clevis and grind it down smooth to fit through the hole in the wall.

BTW! I see you are in NJ……. Did you check with Samson Electric? I use to buy all my line and explosion proof supplies from them when they were in Pert Amboy.

 

[mm08822]

Just curious why there is so much strain on the service drop that its pulling the facia away.

Our spec was the POA had to withstand 75 lbs of pull. That was a normal 1/0 service drop for a 200a service on a house.

I don't have the details yet, it was a late night call received. Maybe tomorrow I will see the job.

It is a 200a service, so I assume 2/0 AL. Not sure how far pole is from house or sag in o/h cable. For all I know there are other unmentioned details to be learned.

 

[Codyboy]

I was thinking of the eyebolt with just all galvanized hardware and a giant fender washer on the backside, too. Not sure if POCO will get involved. (Last guy in the POCO planning dept I spoke to (on another topic) was a real DH....105% by the book...drone-like!)

Well pfft. Sorry to hear yalls POCO is like that.

Anyway. A 5/8x ?? Whatever length eyebolt you need to get inside to secure to the framing.

I would stop by the first crew you see on your morning commute. I would bet they'll fix you up.

But why is it pulling the facia off. Rotten ?

 

[mm08822]

How about welding a piece of 5/8” rod on a short clevis and grind it down smooth to fit through the hole in the wall.

JCPL wants the porcelain, (first pic in OP) which I dont see the value in it other than a larger diameter provided for looping the messenger wire.

Do you know why they want it or how big of a deal it is for them without it?

 

[Codyboy]

I don't have the details yet, it was a late night call received. Maybe tomorrow I will see the job.

It is a 200a service, so I assume 2/0 AL. Not sure how far pole is from house or sag in o/h cable. For all I know there are other unmentioned details to be learned.

Oh. I assumed this was your house and already laid Eyes on it.

 

[mm08822]

You're electrical supply house doesn't have anything in stock to test fit?

I know I've seen the ceramic insulators on a shelf somewhere next to some big *** bolts, just can't think where/why...

My local supply house and all of their other stores/network show "out of stock - Call for Price and Availability". I was hoping for the 8475 but everything "Allied Bolt" is mia.

 

[Bert_]

I don't have the details yet, it was a late night call received. Maybe tomorrow I will see the job.

It is a 200a service, so I assume 2/0 AL. Not sure how far pole is from house or sag in o/h cable. For all I know there are other unmentioned details to be learned.

I really doubt it's 2/0. Probably more like #2.

 

[Bert_]

Is the clevis on the left meant for a pole or would it be able to be drawn up tight to a flat surface?

I normally use either one on a pole. The smaller one can't take a lot of side pull.

 

[Codyboy]

Just curious why there is so much strain on the service drop that its pulling the facia away.

Our spec was the POA had to withstand 75 lbs of pull. That was a normal 1/0 service drop for a 200a service on a house.

Ug. ***** getting old.
Mixed up my numbers.

Spec was 300lb of pull for a service drop POA.

75 was the max ft we would go from the POA to the pole.

 

[mm08822]

I normally use either one on a pole. The smaller one can't take a lot of side pull.

The larger one appears to have a curved base and a larger base which would do better on a pole with side loads. The smaller one ok for more straight-on pulls

Anyway, I just found the smaller style......Nichols #365. Platt has it in stock. Even Amazon listed a similar one.......just OOS. What a PIA for something so simple!

 

[mm08822]

Ug. ***** getting old.
Mixed up my numbers.

Spec was 300lb of pull for a service drop POA.

75 was the max ft we would go from the POA to the pole.

My POCO uses 75' max from pole to POA. No mention of pull force in the customer spec found.

 

[Chuckster in NJ]

JCPL wants the porcelain, (first pic in OP) which I dont see the value in it other than a larger diameter provided for looping the messenger wire.

Do you know why they want it or how big of a deal it is for them without it?

JCP&L has some wacky requirements so I highly suggest looking for a line crew truck at a deli or donut shack and talk to "the main guy in the truck" and explain your problem on finding the required "insulator hook" and most likely they will set you up.
Why do they want this special heavy duty "insulated hook"?……. Because they are the UTILITY and that is what some engineer spec’d out in their drawing.

BTW! The majority of the "working bees" at JCP&L hate the company upper management and engineers so they have no problem "sticking it to the man" and helping out a small contractor.

 

[BillK]

I am looking at your drawing and thinking that without blocking all the way out to the sheathing you will just end up having a similar problem with the new install ?

I would toe nail a 2x4 or 2x6 block where I have the red and then use a shorter bolt. The 2x against the outer sheathing will be a lot stronger than having the air gap like you show.

 

[dave*99]

I am looking at your drawing and thinking that without blocking all the way out to the sheathing you will just end up having a similar problem with the new install ?

I would toe nail a 2x4 or 2x6 block where I have the red and then use a shorter bolt. The 2x against the outer sheathing will be a lot stronger than having the air gap like you show.

I'm looking for a simple through-the-wall overhead service lateral attachment clevis. I can't find them with a long enough bolt or large enough diameter.
I need this arrangement but with a 10-12" 5/8" threaded bolt....

The existing o/h service lateral has a lot of tension on it and is pulling sheathing, siding and fascia off of house. I want to do the repair by putting support on the attic side of 3-4 gable studs and only pass through the wall covering.

I'm not saying your approach won't work, but.....

Going back to the original post - The OP wants a long piece of 2X spanning 3-4 gable studs. Hence the need for a 10-12" bolt. The purpose of the drawing was only to detail the mechanical arrangement of the metal parts.

 

[BillK]

I'm not saying your approach won't work, but.....

Going back to the original post - The OP wants a long piece of 2X spanning 3-4 gable studs. Hence the need for a 10-12" bolt. The purpose of the drawing was only to detail the mechanical arrangement of the metal parts.

Ok but from a strictly mechanical standpoint he needs blocking right up against the sheathing. If his drawing does show the way his will be, the empty space where I have the red marked will allow the bolt to pull the clevis in and distort the outer sheathing. It will get loose and it will just get worse over time. Does not matter how many studs he spans, that is going to be a weak point if it is indeed installed like that.

 

[mm08822]

Well pfft. Sorry to hear yalls POCO is like that.

Anyway. A 5/8x ?? Whatever length eyebolt you need to get inside to secure to the framing.

I would stop by the first crew you see on your morning commute. I would bet they'll fix you up.

But why is it pulling the facia off. Rotten ?

It had a lag J-bolt through the fascia into the sheathing.....no further penetration. POA near peak and pulling both sides of fascia off. Fascia was only face nailed to sheathing, but apparently well nailed to each piece. If the lightning arrester conductor didn't cross the fascia, it would have fallen years ago.

I really doubt it's 2/0. Probably more like #2.

It is 2/0, I measured it. Of course I don't have a preform or wedge for 2/0 at the moment.

Ug. ***** getting old.
Mixed up my numbers.

Spec was 300lb of pull for a service drop POA.

75 was the max ft we would go from the POA to the pole.

This is at 90', but only calculates to 200# static pull.

My POCO uses 75' max from pole to POA. No mention of pull force in the customer spec found.

This POCO allows up to 125'. (Different POCO than I originally thought.....right on the territory line.)

JCP&L has some wacky requirements so I highly suggest looking for a line crew truck at a deli or donut shack and talk to "the main guy in the truck" and explain your problem on finding the required "insulator hook" and most likely they will set you up.
Why do they want this special heavy duty "insulated hook"?……. Because they are the UTILITY and that is what some engineer spec’d out in their drawing.

BTW! The majority of the "working bees" at JCP&L hate the company upper management and engineers so they have no problem "sticking it to the man" and helping out a small contractor.

I hear ya, but at least JCPL is trying to add some long term durability. This is actually PSEG, and their POA spec is lacking detail.

I am looking at your drawing and thinking that without blocking all the way out to the sheathing you will just end up having a similar problem with the new install ?

I would toe nail a 2x4 or 2x6 block where I have the red and then use a shorter bolt. The 2x against the outer sheathing will be a lot stronger than having the air gap like you show.

It was what the (wrong) POCO spec'd. Agreed, it could have been more robust. I'm working in an attic and I guess their detail was assuming a 2nd floor finished room.
I'm working with trusses where I assumed it was a framed gable using 2x4's. So I added 2 - 2x4's spanning the edge truss rafters with a strongback. The threaded 5/8's hardware goes through 3 - 2x's overall. If it pulls off now, it will take half of the gable with it.