P&C Stuff

[Smokeshow69]

I don't find much P&C around my neck of the woods so I was happy to come across this 4oz hammer head (no handle) today at the flea.

Coming from the land of p&c , hammers are not easy to come by here. I have a whopping total of zero hammers or hammer heads for that matter. Nice find!


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[tin medic]

Picked this up in a trade with tin medic ! Real excited to find it as I have been wanting one for quite some time!



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Glad you're happy with it.

 

[Provincial]

I have a P&C ball peen hammer. I notice that both the one posted above and mine have the identification markings on the outside diameter of the striking area, rather than the sides of the handle socket area. I think it is easy to miss a P&C hammer if you are not looking in the right place for the logo.

That said, they are uncommon.

 

[Private Lugnutz]

It's a very unusual placement. In fact, off the top of my head, I can't think of another mfgr who put their branding on the poll instead of the cheek.

 

[bmwrd0]

Sometimes they also put them on the cheek

 

[RagTopTA]

Sometimes they also put them on the cheek

I sure like those hammers!

 

[Rileysan]

I sure like those hammers!

I got to touch them, so I can confirm they're real!

 

[Outlawmws]

I just got another Paschall (my second, and the same size, 4 oz.) and it has the markings the same place.

My one and only P&C hammer is a 32 oz job. Pretty sure its marked on the side. (Not sure where its hiding to check, but the hammer box is sort of buried...)

 

[Smokeshow69]

Sometimes they also put them on the cheek

I remember when you found those! You ****!


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[RagTopTA]

I got to touch them, so I can confirm they're real!

hah I sure need to add some of those to my hammer group! I bought a Paschall hammerhead a while back off the bay for $4!! need a good authentic handle but I guess I'll prob settle for one of those repops if I have too!

 

[Private Lugnutz]

I can count the number of "[P&C]" tools I have found in the wild (my definition of that is in person at a flea market, garage or estate sale) here on the right coast on two hands: a screwdriver, a couple of adjustable crescent-type wrenches, and a few WF- and N-series round-shank DBE's. I may need a third hand now.

Today I picked up this hinge handle (their term - "Flex Handle") at a flea market. I'm pretty sure it's a Pre-Plomb model No. 6220. You can see that it's the style where the head is forked for the hinging (or flexing), and that it is outside the end of the handle, as opposed to the style where the end of the handle is forked, and the head hinging inside or between the forks. This is a beautifully designed and hand-forged tool.

Pics below, including an excerpt from the 1939 P&C catalog.

 

[Rileysan]

I can count the number of "[P&C]" tools I have found in the wild (my definition of that is in person at a flea market, garage or estate sale) here on the right coast on two hands: a screwdriver, a couple of adjustable crescent-type wrenches, and a few WF- and N-series round-shank DBE's. I may need a third hand now.

Today I picked up this hinge handle (their term - "Flex Handle") at a flea market. I'm pretty sure it's a Pre-Plomb model No. 6220. You can see that it's the style where the head is forked for the hinging (or flexing), and that it is outside the end of the handle, as opposed to the style where the end of the handle is forked, and the head hinging inside or between the forks. This is a beautifully designed and hand-forged tool.

Pics below, including an excerpt from the 1939 P&C catalog.

Nice find! I most certainly agree with you it's pre-Plomb. I picked one up at a swap meet a couple weeks ago thinking I found something new for my collection but learned I already had one! Ces la vie ...

Brian

 

[DD T/A]

I came across what appear to be older P&C 3/4" drive sockets. I'd say they were part of some set at one point. Looked through the whole pile and came up with four, a little expensive @ $13, but they are big and useful, and about the going rate for good sockets of this size at swap meets.

 

[jabberwoki]

Nice, put them in a bath of gas and scrub the oil and grease off them,. Then wash in hot very soapy water (dish soap) and dry them off . Finally a 24 hr bath of 1 gal vinegar to 1 cup of salt, amount for ratio only.
Then a scrub in hot water to remove the rust, it washes of like dirt, and repeat if necessary.
When your happy that they`re clean enough, , heat them up with a propane torch to chase the moisture out of them, polish with a soft wire brush then give them a nice coat of oil whilst they`re still warm.
They`ll turn out pimp.

 

[Outlawmws]

On the black oxide sockets and extensions with light rust, I'll usually just hit then with a very light buffing action with a fine wire wheel, and they come out great. (less so if pitting has occurred.) (Remember, that oxide process is still a rusting process)

 

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I came across what appear to be older P&C 3/4" drive sockets. I'd say they were part of some set at one point. Looked through the whole pile and came up with four, a little expensive @ $13, but they are big and useful, and about the going rate for good sockets of this size at swap meets.

Just over $3 a piece, I'd say you did better than alright. Great score on those 3/4" drive sockets!

I had this P&C #2225 DBE follow me home this weekend. Needs a good soak in the electrolysis tank, but it appears to be in fine shape. Sizes are 25/32 & 3/4

 

[Provincial]

I found an unusual P&C round shank DBE wrench Sunday. It has the P&C logo stamped on one side of the beam in the usual position, but the size markings are stamped where the box end meets the shank, and there are small markings near the ends of the beam, on opposite sides/ends. Size wise, it is 13/16x7/8, which would be a 2229L, but there is no marking for a model number.

I am posting photos of the markings, and the wrench is the second DBE from the left in the group photo.

 

[Rileysan]

I found an unusual P&C round shank DBE wrench Sunday. It has the P&C logo stamped on one side of the beam in the usual position, but the size markings are stamped where the box end meets the shank, and there are small markings near the ends of the beam, on opposite sides/ends. Size wise, it is 13/16x7/8, which would be a 2229L, but there is no marking for a model number.

I am posting photos of the markings, and the wrench is the second DBE from the left in the group photo.

It appears you found a wrench owned by Jimmy Hendrix!

All kidding aside, I think it predates stamped numbers and the sizes were stamped by a previous owner, along with his name. The sizes correspond to the wrench I posted last week, which was a 6-pt wrench model 8283 https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7230550&postcount=706. That model of wrench was changed to a 12-pt all purpose DBE in the 1929 catalog.

Brian

 

[Provincial]

Now, can someone decipher the other markings?

NORIX = exhaust?
NORIN = intake?

 

[d42jeep]

I found this early P&C diamond point chisel at a Berkeley estate sale this morning.
-Don

 

[Rileysan]

I spent the day at a swap meet with Provincial. We both had some nice finds but this was one of the highlights of my day. P&C #2752 1 5/8" "pebble" combo wrench. It is made in the same style as the Proto LA combo wrenches.

Brian

 

[Rileysan]

P&C 0251 1/4" breaker bar. The first I have seen for sale anywhere and a fine addition to my collection.

Brian

 

[Provincial]

I picked up a number of P&C items Saturday while hanging out with Rileysan. The most interesting one is this 5/16 BS - 1/4 W combo. I have never seen a British Standard or Whitworth P&C wrench before. Or should I say "spanner?"

 

[MR.X]

Picked up a pretty big stash of ( mostly P&C ) old tools yesterday. Don't remember seeing the "snowman" stamp on a 1/2" drive piece before.

 

[Provincial]

That's early! Nice score!

 

[MR.X]

Thanks. Yeah, just about all of it was pre 1940's stuff.

 

[RagTopTA]

Man nice find!! that stuff is in great shape. more pics!!!

 

[Private Lugnutz]

Don't remember seeing the "snowman" stamp on a 1/2" drive piece before.

Haha. I've never seen that shaped P&C ampersand on anything, including catalogs, but that's a perfect name for it! What drive size pieces have you seen it on? And what time period is it known to be from?

 

[Provincial]

The valve guide knocker is either Model A or V8. From the length of the working end, I would say Model A, because it is longer than the V8 version. This tool wasn't shown in the 1928 catalogs, but since the Model A was introduced in November of 1927, I suspect that this tool wasn't ready in time for the printing of the catalogs.

Other tools shown match the late 1920's catalogs.

A great find!

 

[Provincial]

The "snowman" ampersand was probably artistic latitude by the diemaker that made the stamp. The company should have adopted his design, as it is major cool!!!!

If you think about it, the snowman is a better design than the true ampersand, since it involves circles and no impression inside them. Much easier to cut a stamp of that design, and it would make a clearer impression than the cluttered design of the ampersand.

 

[Smokeshow69]

Picked up a pretty big stash of ( mostly P&C ) old tools yesterday. Don't remember seeing the "snowman" stamp on a 1/2" drive piece before.

Rileysan told me you made an offer on a killer lot of plomb and p&c! Those are in very good shape considering their age. Are the items stamped Milwaukie Oregon also from the same lot?


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[MR.X]

Haha. I've never seen that shaped P&C ampersand on anything, including catalogs, but that's a perfect name for it! What drive size pieces have you seen it on? And what time period is it known to be from?

Hi. That's a good question. I'll pull some some samples together and take some pics and see what you (and the usual suspects) think. Won't be for a while though.

 

[MR.X]

Rileysan told me you made an offer on a killer lot of plomb and p&c! Those are in very good shape considering their age. Are the items stamped Milwaukie Oregon also from the same lot?


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Hey Smoke, It's all from the same lot. I'll add some pics later.

 

[MR.X]

The valve guide knocker is either Model A or V8. From the length of the working end, I would say Model A, because it is longer than the V8 version. This tool wasn't shown in the 1928 catalogs, but since the Model A was introduced in November of 1927, I suspect that this tool wasn't ready in time for the printing of the catalogs.

Other tools shown match the late 1920's catalogs.

A great find!

Thanks. Yeah that's one of the few that had a tool number on it which I assume is 2000 (i can't remember, and I can't check the tool right now) cause it does look like a Model A punch.

 

[Provincial]

Just a couple of the P&C items I picked up at the swap meet Saturday.

Big and small: a 1-5/8 combination wrench and a stubby screwdriver.

I handed the screwdriver to Rileysan with the comment that "I recognize the handle shape, but can't see any identification." After looking closely, he pointed out he faint P&C logo when he handed it back to me. From one of the $1.00 tables.

Close-up of the markings on the big wrench.

 

[r_olson_06]

Found this old P&C covered in dirt at the bottom of a tool box. Any idea on the time frame?

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[MR.X]

so this is the majority of the P&C stuff I got Tuesday, minus the sockets and a few more wrenches.

 

[Provincial]

1939 Catalog -
The double end "saltus" swiveling box end looks like the number 3900-series "flex" wrenches on page 21 of the 1939 catalog. The fixed socket wrench with the handle bent past 90* in the middle of your photo looks like a number 2002 Ford V-8 main bearing wrench on page 20 of the 1939 catalog.

1929 Catalog -
The 1/2" drive stuff looks like those in the 1929 catalog. So does the short bend socket wrench and the single offset DBE wrenches. The single open end wrenches seem to be 1100-series tappet wrenches. The square opening wrenches on the left seem to be Ford Main Bearing wrenches on page 39.

Nice collection of early P&C! Before the Pendleton buyout, P&C made a lot of automotive specialty tools, and you have some great examples.

 

[Provincial]

r olson, with the dash between the numbers instead of a slash, I would bet that that socket is 1920's to early 30's.

 

[Rileysan]

I haven't looked this one up in the catalogs yet, but I'm quite certain it's 20s/30s. A P&C 1/2" flex head T-drive socket on a 12" extension. I found it at the "NW Biggest Garage Sale" at the county fairgrounds in Vancouver, Wa. I found lots of other cool items but this was the most unique by far!

Brian