P&C Stuff

[Etchase]

^ tell the stories about your friend’s friend who broke in then

 

[Oregon rock crusher]

I spotted these single end Tappet wrenches in a coastal junk/antique store last week. Shown being caressed in my wife's dainty hands. Five wrenches total, bundled tight so I could only make out the number 2974 of the 3/4" wrench. Still there as far as I know...$18 apiece seemed a bit steep. Also a pic of the 35' catalog page showing the wrenches. Ed.

 

[jabberwoki]

Yikes some people think shits gold.

 

[four.cycle]

nice set. a bit steep, though.

 

[Beerhippie]

Oregon coast. More of a tourist trap than where I live.

 

[Oregon rock crusher]

The Oregon coast is a bit touristy. We mostly visit there midweek when it's less crowded. There are quite a few places to find vintage tools on the coast though. This last trip we ended up in Astoria and hit up a warehouse sale that had some really good bargains. I've found quite a bit of stuff on the East side too. LaGrand occasionally gives up a find. Same with North Powder and Baker. Lostine has a neat little junk shop with a lot of tools. I haven't made it to Burns in years to check out that area. The John Day Valley drive has a few stops too on the way to Redmond where there are plenty of shops. All good.... Ed.

 

[Beerhippie]

The Oregon coast is a bit touristy. We mostly visit there midweek when it's less crowded. There are quite a few places to find vintage tools on the coast though. This last trip we ended up in Astoria and hit up a warehouse sale that had some really good bargains. I've found quite a bit of stuff on the East side too. LaGrand occasionally gives up a find. Same with North Powder and Baker. Lostine has a neat little junk shop with a lot of tools. I haven't made it to Burns in years to check out that area. The John Day Valley drive has a few stops too on the way to Redmond where there are plenty of shops. All good.... Ed.

I need to get out of the county more often.

Keep that Lostine shop hush-hush, please! I have a pretty good relation with the new owners, who have actually started moving on the former owner, Dave's, pricing policy that guaranteed nothing ever sold. We locals used to call it the "antique and used tool museum".

 

[Oregon rock crusher]

Sure.....mums the word. That store is well guarded by location though. Last visit there we were on our way back from Wallowa lake last fall. The wife, daughter, and two grand kids were waiting in the car so I couldn't dally. I pulled a Plomb LA mid size wrench and a wood handled multi tool out for $12. I do try to patronize all the little junk shops to keep them in business. Most of the stuff I perused there was priced at least as high as those coastal antique shops on the other edge of the state.

 

[Outlawmws]

$18 apiece seemed a bit steep

Not sure what the -18 meant but $80 / 5 = $16 - Still over the top though...

 

[Oregon rock crusher]

Well hell Outlaw....I think the tag shocked the math skills plomb out of me. I thought at the time he had the price per piece on the tag but I suppose it could have been a vendor number. A lot of those shops are just renting space and I'm not sure about that one. Wasn't happening at $80 though.

 

[930dreamer]

I went and picked this up Wednesday.

 

[Leviton]

Awesome find @930dreamer !! Wow. Need to hear/see more about that.

I found this wrench this week. I'm guessing a special automotive tool? Couldn't find it in the 1934 P&C catalog. (Are there any other pre-1950 catalogs online?)

The wrench is 14.3 inches long. The box end is a 7/8-inch hex opening and the socket opening is just over 9/16-inch.

 

[Provincial]

1927 Catalog, page 30. Number 8218, Chevrolet connecting rod and main bearing wrench. "Special Double Offset Socket Wrench"

 

[MR.X]

Awesome find @930dreamer !! Wow. Need to hear/see more about that.

I found this wrench this week. I'm guessing a special automotive tool? Couldn't find it in the 1934 P&C catalog. (Are there any other pre-1950 catalogs online?)

The wrench is 14.3 inches long. The box end is a 7/8-inch hex opening and the socket opening is just over 9/16-inch.

Great find! Catalogs can be found at Jerry Johnson's pnctools.com site.

 

[stormking]

Nice early wrench Leviton. Haven't been around in awhile but this 3/4" drive set should be heard from. Found it in a barn we are going to be demolishing on a clearing project. All P&C tools, the carrier is different than I've ever seen but the inside has very old black wrinkle paint so I'm thinking might be original. 15/16" thru 1-5/8" sockets.

 

[stormking]

Socket detail.

 

[Ricky Joe]

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[Smokeshow69]

Nice early wrench Leviton. Haven't been around in awhile but this 3/4" drive set should be heard from. Found it in a barn we are going to be demolishing on a clearing project. All P&C tools, the carrier is different than I've ever seen but the inside has very old black wrinkle paint so I'm thinking might be original. 15/16" thru 1-5/8" sockets.

How cool is this find? You found it while on the clock cleaning out an old barn? So very cool!

 

[stormking]

How cool is this find? You found it while on the clock cleaning out an old barn? So very cool!

Yes, free is a very good price.

 

[Provincial]

Nice early wrench Leviton. Haven't been around in awhile but this 3/4" drive set should be heard from. Found it in a barn we are going to be demolishing on a clearing project. All P&C tools, the carrier is different than I've ever seen but the inside has very old black wrinkle paint so I'm thinking might be original. 15/16" thru 1-5/8" sockets.

A local fellow has one just like it. He says he will keep it to use on his crawler tractor, but I'm piecing together a newer set of USA 3/4" drive to tempt him.

 

[Leviton]

Great find! Catalogs can be found at Jerry Johnson's pnctools.com site.

Thank you for the reminder about that site! I had forgotten about it.

 

[Oldtuleguy]

Here's a little 3/8 ratchet with a captive plug

 

[Outlawmws]

That one is different! I like it!

 

[Oldtuleguy]

I don't see too many. Shows up in 35 catalog.

 

[MR.X]

Eye rolling on so many levels. Obviously the $250.00 fishing expedition price jumps out first. Also, it's not a "20's" ratchet. P&C had a similar heavy Duty ratchet at the end of the 20's but this is a 30's ratchet by the specific tool number and by the fact that said tool # is even stamped on it which they weren't doing in the 20's. The initial cut and paste sentence is classic. ( I think it's from their $300.00 MTF ratchet auction) "It is in working order with the plug easily removed" uhhh....yeah, soooo easily removed it's not included in the sale apparently LOL. Coincidentally the size and weight is identical to the MTF. The last paragraph is chock full of idiotic "AI" speak. "Must-have for any collector" "unique find" "perfect for ...looking to add to their collection" "excellent addition to any toolbox" don't miss out on this opportunity" ...meaningless filler that adds nothing to the description and is actually very arguably making false statements. It's not in "great condition" it's in pretty good condition for a mid 30's ratchet but it has large owner etched "on" and "off" markings on either side of the ratchet face and as I mentioned no drive plug.

 

[Oldtuleguy]

I'm seeing alot of that

 

[stormking]

And not all that rare either.

 

[four.cycle]

^ The "AI" generated ad texts are becoming more common in ebay listings as sellers learn how to use them.
Not all of those people are tool experts - look at their "other items" and you'll find Hummel figurines, old purses, and souvenir ashtrays from Reno.
I would imagine that some of the AI listings on NON-tool items might be quite entertaining.

 

[MR.X]

^ The "AI" generated ad texts are becoming more common in ebay listings as sellers learn how to use them.
Not all of those people are tool experts - look at their "other items" and you'll find Hummel figurines, old purses, and souvenir ashtrays from Reno.
I would imagine that some of the AI listings on NON-tool items might be quite entertaining.

“ as sellers learn how to use them”. It was just one button AI assist or not when I last formed an auction. Has it changed? Is it learning? All I see are dopey generalities. If one knew their item and saw what the AI did to their auction I would think they’d be even more hesitant to use it on something they didn’t know because they wouldn’t trust it. I did bring up on the Plomb thread the situation that could arise when a seller uses an EBay offered function to write their auction. The eBay function misrepresents the item, the buyer wants reimbursement and the seller appeals based on the fact that the AI caused the problem.

 

[3baygarage]

It seems like every seller is using that ****. Excuse me, every other seller. Because 50% just say "see photos".

 

[four.cycle]

^ Ebay will issue a refund directly to the buyer if the buyer calls and complains and has a "legitimate" complaint.
The seller may or may not be involved.
I have had ebay issue me refunds on items where the seller either didn't respond, or was reticent about making things right.
In the last 45 days, I've had two sellers issue full refunds because the items were "not as represented". (size was wrong.) (Not sure what to do with three pairs of pants that don't fit - they didn't ask me to ship them back.)

I don't have any issues with the "AI" generated ads on ebay, because 99.9% of the stuff I am looking at is tools.
I can tell instantly now whether the seller knows anything about tools or not simply by their using that "AI" generated ad text.
I have no doubt the majority of those using it are believing it's "time saving" and "safe". (Maybe I should send a couple inquiries to random "AI" users on ebay and try to suss out their motivations, because I wonder how much of it is simply pure laziness.)

On the bright side: The unknowing - using the "AI" ad text - might well overlook some little detail that might be a boon for the buyer.

 

[MR.X]

Is it learning though? or is it just some dopey program that's not really what I'm imagining AI is supposed to be?
I can't remember the last time I had a problem with Ebay's dispute resolution (like to keep it that way of course) I'm not really that worried about this issue, it's a hypothetical. Obviously not a very interesting one.
So was there was a board room discussion about the pros and cons. stimulating sales vs creating issues with unsatisfied buyers. Did someone run the numbers and make the decision that it would be well worth it to the bottom line plus the company is going to feel the pressure to keep up current tech advancements (even if they seem like garbage)..Imagine that if instead of AI it was a Photoshop ( if that makes it easier) feature pushed by eBay, not only would it create problems but the sellers might have an "OUT" they wouldn't have had if the fraud was solely their initiative. "yeah the item doesn't match the photo / description but it's not my fault" . I'm imagining a case where the seller makes the argument that the responsibility lies with ebay's new feature and that be taken into consideration in adjudication...not just for refunds but erasing well deserved negative reviews. Oh well, someone post some cool old P&C or do some original research for God's sake.

 

[Outlawmws]

or do some original research for God's sake.

I have access to AI,.. whadaywananknow?

 

[four.cycle]

"... erasing well deserved negative reviews ..."

ebay already has a practice of removing "well deserved negative reviews" from a seller's profile if the seller does enough dollar volume (two separate instances over the last 8 years.)

 

[MR.X]

ebay already has a practice of removing "well deserved negative reviews" from a seller's profile if the seller does enough dollar volume (two separate instances over the last 8 years.)

Yes….. and a 100% positive feedback profile does not mean someone’s never had a negative. That’s not news to anyone I hope.

BTW, received a "special limited-time 5% discount" offer from the seller..... 250.00 to 237.50

 

[bmwrd0]

Caveat emptor, caveat lector.

 

[Boogerman]

Bought toolbox today for Snap-on and Cornwell ratchets. Plus some other nice items. Had this motley lot of P&C in it too. Will go into the classifieds, I have no interest. I suspect P&C 1/4 drive pebble ratchets aren't all that common.... This one's not pristine, has some dings and I think I remember owner ground notches in it as an owners mark? Missed them in the photos. (actually, can see them a bit on the edge next to the divider)

 

[jabberwoki]

Those drivers are way cool.

 

[Smokeshow69]

Picked up these 2 tool boards today at the swap. Of course they were at the opposite end of the track farthest from my truck. I seriously started to walk away from them before my tool board enthusiast voice spoke up and bade me go back and rescue them or turn in my garage journal card. So I went back and picked them up. They are going to a local collector friend . They are both rough to say the least but these don’t show up much around here. Hopefully one day if he comes across some plomb tool boards he will return the favor

 

[jabberwoki]

Nice i didn`t got this year...too lazy.