P&C Stuff

[Outlawmws]

Added this from Friday's Pick:

 

[Smokeshow69]

One of the guys I work with brought this to me. He knows I like P&C so thought of me. I knew they existed but never seen one. For 3/8" drive metric sockets. It's going to be hard to fill they're about nonexistent.

Some friend you have. He's a sadistic son of a gun . That is both ridiculously cool and is going to be very difficult to fill. In all my years of searching for metric p&c I only found 3 combo wrenches. I recently got a mfd era proto metrick socket set in the tray, only missing one socket, which will now probably take me years to find

 

[stormking]

Which one do you need, I have some of those.

Some friend you have. He's a sadistic son of a gun . That is both ridiculously cool and is going to be very difficult to fill. In all my years of searching for metric p&c I only found 3 combo wrenches. I recently got a mfd era proto metrick socket set in the tray, only missing one socket, which will now probably take me years to find

 

[Smokeshow69]

Which one do you need, I have some of those.

Pm inbound

 

[Oldtuleguy]

I have one mfd era set, 9 thru 19mm, circa 1960

 

[Outlawmws]

That's a nice set!

 

[bmwrd0]

One of the guys I work with brought this to me. He knows I like P&C so thought of me. I knew they existed but never seen one. For 3/8" drive metric sockets. It's going to be hard to fill they're about nonexistent.

I had found an almost complete early metric set, gave it to Riley. Only missing the 13mm.

 

[Oldtuleguy]

Nice! Any pics?

 

[bmwrd0]

I don't collect P&C, so I knew I was buying it for a friend, and didn't take any other pic than for the garage sale thread. But, you can see it is marked just like the early Proto LA metric set was, only in blue!

 

[Oldtuleguy]

Nice! That's the set I saw in the catalog.

 

[don long]

I'm new to the P&C tools but a friend offered up a couple of tool boards so I grabbed them and have started finding the tools to fill them up

 

[bmwrd0]

Nice. I just traded one of your first pic boards off to a friend who collects P&C.

 

[jabberwoki]

It`s a down hill slope now Don.

 

[d42jeep]

I found this P&C socket at a garage sale yesterday. Interesting engravings. -Don

 

[Provincial]

Big Navy presence in the Bay area!

 

[RTM]

a 1966 patent 3,267,553 to a Peter E. Mortensen assigned to The PEM company...at this point located in Milwaukie Oregon.

Here's some of the earlier Patents Mortensen had some hand in 2,044,252 2,074,021 2,091,515

Just as a follow up, none of these are in Datamp under Mortensen.

Busy sleuthing something else before posting, and ran into this post

 

[RTM]

Here are a couple of P&C scores from a shop cleanout yesterday. The talk elsewhere of a large thin wrench for adjusting leveler legs was on my mind as well, but the P&C logos sealed the deal.



From a catalog that Provincial linked back in 2017

https://pnctools.com/downloads/1929.pdf

The other wrench isn't in there, but appears to be a match for a Plomb Ford Brake Wrench, catalog image seen here.

Edit, Here is a sibling from a 1935 catalog



The guy had a machine shop in his garage, so I suspect these may have been used for square nuts on lathe fittings.

 

[Ricky Joe]

Here are a couple of P&C scores from a shop cleanout yesterday. The talk elsewhere of a large thin wrench for adjusting leveler legs was on my mind as well, but the P&C logos sealed the deal.



From a catalog that Provincial linked back in 2017

https://pnctools.com/downloads/1929.pdf

The other wrench isn't in there, but appears to be a match for a Plomb Ford Brake Wrench, catalog image seen here.

Edit, Here is a sibling from a 1935 catalog



The guy had a machine shop in his garage, so I suspect these may have been used for square nuts on lathe fittings.

Odd that it lists that wrench for a V8, as most manufacturers offset the V8 wrenches to clear the tires.

 

[930dreamer]

Vintage P&C Milwaukie Portland Oregon Tool Chest, rare Made in USA.​

$200
Listed 3 weeks ago
3 weeks ago
in Olympia, WA

 

[Mintgrun]

Searching this thread did not pull up any battery pliers and the number 1218 didn't have any hits either, so I'll go ahead and share the pair I bought yesterday. I like the contrast between the dark forged steel and the machined face.



edit -- now, I'm thinking that might be black paint....

 

[jabberwoki]

Im just going to put these here .Should have done it here in the first place.

 

[four.cycle]

I'm thinking that might be black paint....

still looks pretty cool, even if it is!

 

[Smokeshow69]

Im just going to put these here .Should have done it here in the first place.

P&c roto mat. So stinking cool!

 

[Mintgrun]

I'm just going to put these here

It'd be nice to see some more photos of those. It's hard to make out the details with the bright windows in the background. Could you post a series of pictures taken as you rotate the drum a full 360?

I added these three offset DBEs to the P&C box. I really prefer the logo without the registered trademark symbol, as seen on the three I already had.



Here they are with the rest of the family. The large round beam DBEs use two different numbering systems. The top three have a four digit number and the bottom two have an N-** two digit number. When/why did they make that change?



This 14" P&C® pipe wrench was a recent purchase. I included the little 6" Fleet/Penens for the fun of it.

 

[d42jeep]

I believe that the N numbered wrenches were made for the Navy similar to WF production for the Army Air Corps.
-Don

 

[Private Lugnutz]

The top three have a four digit number and the bottom two have an N-** two digit number.

I believe that the N numbered wrenches were made for the Navy similar to WF production for the Army Air Corps.

Lots of substantive debate, postulation and discussion upthread, Tom. In summary: P&C wartime contracts show that P&C had contracts with the Air Corps - undoubtedly the source of the "WF-" versions of these DBEs previously thought to be P&C helping Plomb fulfill Plomb Air Corps contracts, and with the Navy - almost certainly the source of the "N-" versions of these DBEs, as Don alludes to. One bugaboo was the "N-" numbering scheme, but that was a false issue, because the "WF-" numbering scheme was Plomb's, not the USAAF/Air Corps', and it makes sense that they would lift and shift it for their Navy production, simply swapping the prefixes. Note: the WF- and N- tools lists are not identical. There is an overlap, especially in the DBEs, but even there they made more and different configurations.

 

[Mintgrun]

Thank you Don and Lugz. I knew I was being lazy when I posed that question. I appreciate the reiteration.

Tom

 

[Private Lugnutz]

I knew I was being lazy when I posed that question.

I think you know I wasn't passively scolding you for not doing so, just pointing you to further discussion and info. And in this case, probably best you asked and got the summary, skipping the wrangling, consternation, missteps, and some tangents.

 

[Provincial]

As a general rule, the N-series DBE's are more massive than the four-digit models, especially the thickness of the box ends.

This leads to the speculation that the Navy was more likely to apply excessive force to their tools, or perhaps loan them to the Marines.

 

[Outlawmws]

This leads to the speculation that the Navy was more likely to apply excessive force to their tools

The Navy (and Marines) by definition work in a salt spray environment, and are more likely to be abusing the tools (cheaters, Hammers, etc) so added thickness would provide for less breakage. Also, I'd guess ships have better access to fasteners generally than often cramped army vehicles (thinking tanks and such more than Jeeps/trucks)

So being beefier makes perfect sense to me. Sort of "impact tools" before there were many impact tools... (Hammer + wrench = Impact tool)

 

[Beerhippie]

I picked up this 1/2" drive open-head (? making up terminology here) ratchet today (center):



As found.

A couple of hours in the electrolysis vat, some elbow grease applied with 4-0 steel wool, a wipe-down with CLP and:





30 teeth, smooth as... well, smooth for its age.



Any idea how old this is? I found a picture of one on the AA site, but that one lacks the Y stamping on both sides of the head. Owner's mark?

 

[Outlawmws]

I'd say in excess of 60 years. I have my dad's 3/4" drive open gear P&C, and it was old the first time I laid eyes on it.

 

[Beerhippie]

I'd say in excess of 60 years. I have my dad's 3/4" drive open gear P&C, and it was old the first time I laid eyes on it.

....

 

[Oldtuleguy]

I thought those were from before the plomb takeover. Pretty much indestructible.

 

[jabberwoki]

Nice rescue on a fine old gentleman.

 

[Smokeshow69]

Picked up this early ratchet today at a barn cleanout sale. Poor feller had been abused and left for dead. But just hitting it for 2 seconds with the bench grinder you can see it can hopefully be saved. I'll clean it up and dunk it in wd40 and hopefully the mechanism will free up. Cant really say what drive size it is because it doesnt have a traditional drive but it sure is cool. Its about 8" long.

 

[bmwrd0]

Shoot, Smokes, you must have been just behind me. I almost picked that rachet up and took it home. But the seller wouldn't see eye to eye on the VW tool box, so I just shook my head and left.

 

[Smokeshow69]

Shoot, Smokes, you must have been just behind me. I almost picked that rachet up and took it home. But the seller wouldn't see eye to eye on the VW tool box, so I just shook my head and left.

Ha ha, I saw that vw box but dropped it like a hot potato when I saw the $140 price. Some of the prices like $20 per old hub cap were way overpriced considering the conditions of most items.

 

[bmwrd0]

Guy had some interesting stuff, but not at those prices. He needed to put it on ebay or craigslist if he wanted to make that money.

 

[Smokeshow69]

Guy had some interesting stuff, but not at those prices. He needed to put it on ebay or craigslist if he wanted to make that money.

Yeah those were full blown eBay/ hipster boutique prices and that was when they were all cleaned up. Not barn fresh like they were. But the long c bench grinder arbor I bought wasn’t super out of line in terms of price.