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Packer Ray socket set

Zapp Branigan

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Anyone have any info on these things? I was throwing stuff out today and came across a rusty box with this set in it. It was in with a bunch of junk my dad gave me some years ago. I was about to pitch it in the scrap pile before looking closer at it. There were two antique Snap On sockets in there too, (the two in the back). The wrench says Packer Auto Specialty Co. Chicago USA, and the sockets say RAY on them. They are in X/32". Any info would be appreciated.
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You were seriously going to throw out tools?

I'll GLADLY pay shipping/time for anything you don't want.... rusty boxes, tools, whatever. Just hit me up via PM, seriously.

Even if it's junk, it can always be modified for special jobs, used for freebies to those in need, tools for the trunk, etc.

That said, sorry, I know nothing about that brand. But please, don't decrease the number of US-made tools out there, there's always less, never more, you know...
 
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Well, I did a little digging here and on the web, and these seem to be pre-depression, somewhere in the 20's. Doesn't seem to be much demand for them, but they look cool. I wouldn't have tossed them after checking them out though. At first all I saw was a rusty box.
 

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You were seriously going to throw out tools?

I'll GLADLY pay shipping/time for anything you don't want.... rusty boxes, tools, whatever. Just hit me up via PM, seriously.

Even if it's junk, it can always be modified for special jobs, used for freebies to those in need, tools for the trunk, etc.

That said, sorry, I know nothing about that brand. But please, don't decrease the number of US-made tools out there, there's always less, never more, you know...

Throw those out and we'll come pick up your man card!:Mr.T:
 

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It's really amazing how many tool manufacturers there were in the US back around 1900-1920 -- and how many less there are today.

1900-1920???

Hell, all the way up to the 1960's and 70's and even into the early 80's.

I lived up the road where most of the 60's Chevy Camaro's were made and many other fine GM products. Plant now long gone and now a business park, shopping center and movie theatre.

Tossing out good USA old skool tools.
Shame.
 

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Funny thing but this week I was knee deep in **** (rat's the size of small cats); and the women said "oh and by the way there are more tools and tool boxes out in the back yard".
I made a bee-line for the back yard but all I found were open tool boxes that had some old tools in them but they were filled with water and years of thick solid rust, so much rust that the most of the names were gone. My guess is a lot more people throw away more tools then we think.

Very Sad :sad::sad::sad:
 

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Take a look at the patents and the dates. This guy was way out in front. While Mosberg and Walden were welding up thin wall pressed steel (tin?), Packer was broaching (hot and cold, and double) a variety of hardened alloys.
 

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Take a look at some of the details on these. Before Plomb, and before the couple of salesmen from snap on, who set up shop a block away, this is where some of their idea's came from.
 

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I would further contend, that Ray Packer was another case of brains ahead of his time, who got screwed by his banker, while being raped by his neighbors, and probably had to pay for the pleasure, thugs, thieves, Chicago, sound familiar?
 
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It is unfortunate Alloy Artifacts does not get updated.

Here is an ad for Auto Accessories Corporation of America.
According to AA, this was a merger of Packer Auto Specialty, George H. Rives Manufacturing, and the Standard Motor Part Company
http://home.comcast.net/~alloy-artifacts/other-makers-p3.html#packer

Auto Accessories Corporation of America
1462 to 1464 So. Michigan Ave
Chicago, IL
 

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Mr.Ric

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It is unfortunate Alloy Artifacts does not get updated.

Here is an ad for Auto Accessories Corporation of America.
According to AA, this was a merger of Packer Auto Specialty, George H. Rives Manufacturing, and the Standard Motor Part Company
http://home.comcast.net/~alloy-artifacts/other-makers-p3.html#packer

Auto Accessories Corporation of America
1462 to 1464 So. Michigan Ave
Chicago, IL


As you mention that, it's likely that through this forum, we could get to the missing details and updates that could refresh that history.
 
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Zapp Branigan

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I still have the box, and I definitely won't throw them away. When I first saw the rusty box I did think it was just junk. I put them up on a shelf with my Eico tube tester for now. It'll probably be out on the lawn some day after I croak with a $1.00 sticker on it when my wife cleans my mess up and has a big yard sale. Someone will be happy about getting a good deal.Thanks to all for the info on these. :)
 

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Zapp: good save and if you want to have your wife ask what tools are worth when you go you might want to put stickers on them now with what they should sell for so she has an idea. or give the younger or old garage sale guys some You **** deals to talk about.

Mr. Ric: that is the nicest looking old wood tool box with a socket set in it i think I've ever seen. the other metal one ain't bad either. thanks for sharing.
 

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I worry about my stuff going cheap after I croak too, seen it many many times at auctions and sales. I keep a spreadsheet with lists of tools and other assets, with a column listing location (pole barn, trailer, woodshop, etc.) and approximate values and dates where appropriate. Usually add little bits of info like, "SU carbs off 1300 triumph", or other things that may help someone out figuring out what my junk is. Doesn't mean she'll get full value but when nobody knows what something is it tends to get tossed or sold cheap...
 

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They look like they have a type of flank drive. And they are 6 point. Most old sockers are 12 point. I wonder if he invented the flank drive type design
 

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Came across a Ray socket set today. It has most of the sockets, and is in the box. But no ratchet and other accessories. It does have a square plug.

Would trade for some Plomb 9/32 tools, or Pebble finish ratchet or breaker bar in 3/8" size.
 

VerneDye

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The Ray sockets are the style that has the rounded feature on the end of the socket. Strange shape. Could post pictures and info if any one wants to make a trade.
 

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Not sure which came first, a proper shoulder on the socket or on the fastener. Years ago had the debate with crusty old men with grease under their nails, and the way they figured, much of the first standard parts and tools were for locomotives, not cars. Most of the tech. migrated from the rail yards. You had a lot of cast components being held together at machined locations, meaning the mating location for the fasteners were drilled and machined flat on the fastener side, nut on one piece, bolt on the other. Spread washers, plate, lock, grip, I doubt they were universally used or their necessity was understood. So the drilled hole location was necessarily recessed somewhat after drilling to produce a flat surface for the nut or bolt, or not. So, welded thin wall sockets could fit, grip and hold, but they didn't have much in the way of strength. Enter the forged socket, and it had the strength advantage, but the early efforts at chamfer and shoulder were probably hit or miss. Throw in the fact those brittle mainly iron fasteners were flat or nearly so, but not shouldered and contacted on the whole face at once, and that sorta gets you to why they were the way they were. At least that's what these old guys thought, could of just been dumb and dumber chewing the cud and washing it down with beer, that went on a lot.
 
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