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Holedgr

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Hey guys.... I've read through many threads and have yet to find any responses as to whether or not any of your products will hold up to grinding and welding spatter.

I have also checked your website and still can't figure it out.

PLEASE enlighten us as I am sure there are many who would like to know.

I am aware performance costs and everything isn't DIY friendly.

Thanks in advance.


-T
 
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WolverineCoatings

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Hi Guys,

We don't have any experience in a 'residential' environment. In industrial enviroments, our customers typically use 1/4" troweled toppings because those areas also use heavy duty equipment. We've never had a complaint in those areas and they always look good when I see an area that has been in service for awhile.

Based on the chemisty of what we make versus other products, our products should hold up considerably better as compared to other products.

If there are people here who have used other products in the past who would have the experience to compare other products to ours, I would be willing to give a considerable discount to do your area. We know that our products have solid chemisty and that they are heat resistant. I would expect good results here as well. This isn't an open-ended offer... We would just want to do this with a few people. Also, we'd like to do this with our lowest technology product (LiquaTile 1184). Obviously, if this product has good performance then the higher tech products will be better. We know the LiquaTile 1184 has been used in body shops across the country that typically do their welding at about 4 ft. I'm just going to guess that it doesn't always happen that way in a residential environment.

So, if you feel like you can give us a good case history... let us know and we'll answer this question with real-world testing.

http://wolverinecoatings.com/html/contacts.html

P.S. Make SURE you mention Garage Journal...
 
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Holedgr

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Thanks for the reply. I guess, based on your answer, "heat resistant" is just that. Then I am to assume by your carefully chosen words......If a fair amount of slag falls....it's gonna burn a big ole' hole in my floor.

I understand that few things can repel molten metal and am not looking for a miracle here....but I wish I knew better what to expect.

If I burn a hole.....can it be "patched or repaired depending on color I assume. I am going to email the contact you provided, but I would like to address that here on the board as well.

Can you give me an better idea of what you want to know? What do you mean by case history? Dimensions? Proposed use?

Let me restate that I understand that if you say it will resist spatter....then you are opening a can of worms that you'd rather not. I appreciate the tact you must employ with all this. Let's find some common ground.:thumbup:


-Tony
 
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WolverineCoatings

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Hey Tony,

No Problem... Sometimes when I'm on the board it's late at night... in fact... usually. So, I'm not always fresh and thinking clearly.

However, I don't have to tell you that when it comes to welding there are alot of variables. Almost any quality epoxy is good if the welding is done at a high enough distance. One the problems I have answering this question is that I'm not that familiar with welding... AND... the only welding I am familiar with is in an industrial environment. So, I'm trying to be careful because I know that I'm not as knowledgeable in this area as I'd like to be. One thing you can count on from me is that I'm not going to tell you something that I don't know. So, since I don't have direct knowledge I have to use comparisons to what I do know.

Then I am to assume by your carefully chosen words......If a fair amount of slag falls....it's gonna burn a big ole' hole in my floor.

I understand that few things can repel molten metal and am not looking for a miracle here....but I wish I knew better what to expect.

If I burn a hole.....can it be "patched or repaired depending on color I assume. I am going to email the contact you provided, but I would like to address that here on the board as well.
I that is a good way to put it. Molten Metal is going to burn just about anything. So, all you can really do is make a polymer that is resistant. There is no coating that is burn proof as far as asthetics go. All of our products are very repairable so you can recover if you have an accident.

I want to talk just a little bit about what we (coatings formulators) do to determine the likelyhood that a coating is 'resistant' to heat/molten metal/fire/hot stuff. All polymers can be quantified for this based on a trait called Tg (Glass Transition Temperature). This is just a big fancy expression to define the temperature it takes to begin to melt a cured coating. The higher the Tg the better the heat resistance. However, there is more to it than just using resins that have a high Tg. Also, there are different kinds of heat (wet, dry, molten... etc.). One good example would be that we'd all rather get burned with 200f water than 200f oil. In addition to using resins that have a high Tg, you also have to consider what else is in the coating and the porosity of the coating. The higher the solids of the coating the less porous the cured film should be. In addition, fire/heat retardant fillers can be added to further increase the resistance. In other words, good resins coupled with other stuff that doesn't burn well equals a 'resistant' coating.

Whew... this is getting long...
Anyway, the reason I ask you to fill our the form is so that Bill can get all of the particulars about what you do in YOUR shop. We don't know everything about welding environments and we need to ask questions to ensure that you install the right coating for the way you use (or expect to use) your shop.

Guys, it's okay to ask direct questions. As I've mentioned a bunch of times, we are investigating this residential market. We expect that even our lowest technology products are overkill for this but we still need to learn the differnt ways people use their garages and thier expectations. The other thing is that if you ever feel like I'm dodging a question or maybe I don't answer it as detailed as you want... just send me a PM. Sometimes... I just get tired of writing and make short posts... All of your 'info requests' get forwarded to Bill because he has the time to answer them...

This is one of those times where I am shortening an answer because I'm really tired of writing... sorry... maybe I'll get back on later and explain some more... I've got to go eat right now...
 

12gauge

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i'd like to put on the record that Bill does not take a lot time to answer questions. I have not ordered product because the questions i have asked were not addressed.
 
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Holedgr

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i'd like to put on the record that Bill does not take a lot time to answer questions. I have not ordered product because the questions i have asked were not addressed.

I'd like to hear more about this story. These guys may be too "technical" minded and less "laymen" like some of us and that MAY cause some communication difficulties.

For example, Worlverines last post......OMG!.....some technical stuff!!......I don't give a rat-*** about what most of what he said except for the basics......yes it will work....NO he has limited knowledge of welding.....YES it IS repairable......

Sometimes these guys don't look at it like we do. Please don't be offended and think I'm saying one of you guys can't follow the technical explanations, but lets assume we can't and find some "middle ground" and establish some "givens" and work from that.

With that being said.....what's your story?


-T
 
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i'd like to put on the record that Bill does not take a lot time to answer questions. I have not ordered product because the questions i have asked were not addressed.

I would have to respectfully submit my experience was VERY different. I am searching for what will go onto my shop floor once things warm up a bit next spring. I called Bill and had a very detailed discussion about my needs and the products Wolverine sells.

Sorry to hear your experience differed though.
 

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I would have to respectfully submit my experience was VERY different. I am searching for what will go onto my shop floor once things warm up a bit next spring. I called Bill and had a very detailed discussion about my needs and the products Wolverine sells.

Sorry to hear your experience differed though.

I am not sure that I would be responding to someone going by the handle "12 gauge". :lol_hitti
 

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I would have to respectfully submit my experience was VERY different. I am searching for what will go onto my shop floor once things warm up a bit next spring. I called Bill and had a very detailed discussion about my needs and the products Wolverine sells.

Sorry to hear your experience differed though.


I second this. My experience with Bill has been nothing but positive. I will be placeing an order with them shortly. Just waiting to have my garage doors installed. Hopefully next week.
 

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I am not sure that I would be responding to someone going by the handle "12 gauge". :lol_hitti

That would be the "RESPECTFULLY" part of the response. Adults can agree to disagree or share differing opinions/experiences, but when you do so, just do it politely and with good manners. :beer:

I think the internet would be a far better place if EVERYbody responded to people as though they were armed and had your personal address. :bounce:
 

04 Navi

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That would be the "RESPECTFULLY" part of the response. Adults can agree to disagree or share differing opinions/experiences, but when you do so, just do it politely and with good manners. :beer:

I think the internet would be a far better place if EVERYbody responded to people as though they were armed and had your personal address. :bounce:

You mean that people would be more polite if they thought they were going to be killed? I certainly hope not, but this thread has gotten off topic and I think that it is my fault. I do apologize.
 

12gauge

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Well this started quite the firestorm, 12gauge just happens to be my my fantasy football team. easier to remember 1 login name.

My questions were posed via email, because i was originally dealing with budget bob.

He did respond to emails, I just did not get most of my questions answered when emailed back. Only short responses that didnt address the specific questions i answered. It sounds like everyone else had better luck calling. Maybe i should follow the same path.

I mean no disrespect to the company, as all the research i have done as led me to there products. I think having them on this board is a great asset, but we are referred to another person who didnt seem to want to help me.
 

WolverineCoatings

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Don't worry about it 12guage... maybe Bill was having a bad day... or... maybe the other guys who had good experiences took up all of his time :lol_hitti

Anyway,
I hope we'll do better when you call...
 
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