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Paralysis by analysis

jbfab

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Good morning GJ'ers!
I'm trying to move forward with SOMETHING to improve my garage space and I have a few options, but as it's happened before I let my own thoughts get in the way of doing something. The status quo is this. I have a garage that was here when we bought the house. I'd say it's about 30x40ish with 8' ceilings. The structure while old appears to be serviceable albeit the exterior tin is pretty ugly. The concrete is cracked and heaving in spots but not so much that I can't deal with it. There are a couple of roof leaks I need to find and take care of, but nothing earth shattering.
What do I do out there? I like to create things. Mechanical things, mostly things made of metal, a little bit of necessary wood working, some work with plastics. I have a tiny lathe with aspirations of a mill someday (and bigger lather), a handful of welders, and all the supporting equipment. I also maintain my own vehicles albeit poorly ending up being more reactive than proactive (aside from basic oil and filter changes etc.).
We are finally at a point in our lives where we've been in decent financial shape for a while, and are able to handle relatively crappy situations without stress. This after being in a terrible financial spot for years and working diligently to improve that.
I tell you all of that to propose my problem and ask your advice for a solution. My garage is a disaster. It is not insulated, the interior is half sheeted with falling down fiberboard. I have projects and supplies for future projects stuffed everywhere that get in my way of doing anything productive. I've got a couple of hours of shoving $&*^ around before I can pull my truck in for an oil change and frankly it's embarrassing. What to do? The obvious answer is a new shop. about 54x40 with a 20' covered overhang to park the 5th wheel, 16' walls to allow for a lift, and plenty of space for everything and keep the current garage for parking our daily drivers (what a marvel idea). Of course that's the most expensive option, and not really an option at this time. Although I could get a loan at a good rate, I don't want one. Our previous financial crisis makes me strongly averse to a long term loan for a "want". Option 2? Fix up the current garage. I could certainly insulate and sheet the interior of the current garage. I could do it a section at a time without even affecting our finances, but it doesn't solve the problem of all of the "stuff". Before you say it - I've already purged plenty, and have a little more to go, but not enough to fix this problem. The 3rd option is a combination of option 2, but also build a shed out back. I was first thinking about a "little red barn" type that everybody built years ago. Something like 8x12 which would be pretty inexpensive, but then I thought about it and am thinking that wouldn't even solve the problem. So then I'm thinking what do I need? and I'm coming up with about 20x12. This gives me room for all of those project supplies and home maintenance supplies, as well as a place to park the zero turn, our toro workman, and the snowblower during the offseason. Cost of materials looks to be about $7,500. At that price, I won't be putting it up tomorrow, but this fall or next spring is certainly doable.
Am I going to be satisfied with that? Not entirely. I'll still be crawling around on the ground to change oil etc. (at 44 I'm not getting any younger) but it would be better than what I have now. What would you do?
 
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908Jim

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I don't know you at all, but I promise your stuff will just expand to fill your new space. Address your current shop situation first. Organize, purge, sell, and finish projects to declutter and then consider your wants and needs when deciding to add a shed, renovate, or build a bigger shop.

Many of us here make due with smaller shops than your existing shop. Just my .02
 

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It is always tough to give good advice in these situations, but if you have a garage/shop that size filled to the brim you need to start purging, heavily. I did it after we moved into this house, several times, not all at once to free up space in my ratty detached 20x30. I also bought a shed to store dirtbikes, kids toys, lawn mower and all that jazz in it. That shed is pretty well organized and will be even better this summer. That was a huge help, isolating and organizing that equipment to free up a working space.

No offense intended but my guess is if you build something bigger, you will fill it, I know damn well I would.

The good news here is that your current workspace, while not ideal, could work pretty well for you without an enormous investment. Don't let perfection be the enemy of progress.
 
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While I’m not in your exact situation, mine is close. I can’t really financially do a big garage like I want to. Not yet. But my current attached garage is getting full of stuff, and I can’t park any vehicles in there. But for me, most of the stuff in there could actually go in a storage shed.
So I would suggest building a nice storage shed if you have the means. Then, if your like me, you can at least feel accomplished in that, and your actual work space your wanting will be within your reach.
 
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jbfab

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It is always tough to give good advice in these situations, but if you have a garage/shop that size filled to the brim you need to start purging, heavily. I did it after we moved into this house, several times, not all at once to free up space in my ratty detached 20x30. I also bought a shed to store dirtbikes, kids toys, lawn mower and all that jazz in it. That shed is pretty well organized and will be even better this summer. That was a huge help, isolating and organizing that equipment to free up a working space.

No offense intended but my guess is if you build something bigger, you will fill it, I know damn well I would.

The good news here is that your current workspace, while not ideal, could work pretty well for you without an enormous investment. Don't let perfection be the enemy of progress.
It's not that it's filled to the brim, but certainly enough that I don't have the room to work on bigger projects like I'd like to. I get where you're coming from about filling space - I used to be that way, but I've gotten much better (maybe it's in our WI water) lol. Letting perfection be the enemy of progress - that's seems to be my mantra lately. I don't get that, when I was younger I could put anything together out of nearly nothing. As I get older I meticulously plan and then put the brakes on immediately when something isn't how I planned. I'm not sure how or why that happened, and it isn't in all facets of my life, but it surely is a change.
 

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It's not that it's filled to the brim, but certainly enough that I don't have the room to work on bigger projects like I'd like to. I get where you're coming from about filling space - I used to be that way, but I've gotten much better (maybe it's in our WI water) lol. Letting perfection be the enemy of progress - that's seems to be my mantra lately. I don't get that, when I was younger I could put anything together out of nearly nothing. As I get older I meticulously plan and then put the brakes on immediately when something isn't how I planned. I'm not sure how or why that happened, and it isn't in all facets of my life, but it surely is a change.

I do the same now, I totally understand. I think my biggest problem nowadays is that I don't have time to do anything once, let alone twice. When I was younger (I'm not exactly old, but I'm busy) I had no problem revisiting something a few times.

Now, if you just need to open up the area to be useful, a shed is a great idea. I have one and do NOT regret it one bit. I ended up with a tuffshed from HD. I was hell bent on building it myself.. but the time factor. I was satisfied with what I got, and I'd definitely do it again.
 

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I'll second the idea of a shipping container or two: you can start using it immediately and give yourself some breathing room to organize and allow use of your main space.
 

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Do you have room for a shipping container or 2 for storage?
This is my suggestion also, but first to move your stuff out of the project space. Then fix up the existing space. Then bring out only what you really need from the container, the rest can go, one way or another. Then you'll have the extra storage of a container that you can keep or sell.
 
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Brace yourself for the pain of getting rid of stuff that you can bring yourself to admit that you acquired it without a definite purpose, sort through the remaining stuff and purge some of it.
Use as much of the remaining material as you can to get your present garage in shape.
Limit acquisitions to only what you will immediately use.
 

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I know how you feel. I started off in a very similar situation with my 24x24 shop. It was a poorly lit un-insulated shell with a leaky roof, rotten siding, and compromised concrete. I went back and forth as to whether or not I should just tear it down and start over, or try to fix what I already had. Also like you, I knew deep down that I wasn't comfortable spending the money to replace, so that option was off the table.

I believe it was the youtuber AvE who once said, "...it's already f-d, we can't f-it any more..."

I couldn't possibly make it any worse, but I could certainly make things better. I decided to do my best to fix up what I had as time and money allowed. Will my shop ever be perfect or large enough? Nope. Are there things I wished I would have done differently? Yep. Is my shop significantly better than what I had before? Absolutely.

It's a slow journey, but a rewarding one. It is also often a process of two steps forward, one step back. But every step is progress. It took me a good 5 years to get to a point where I was spending more time working in my shop rather than on it. If you look at all the things that need to be done, it can be overwhelming. I suggest focusing on one thing that can make your space better and execute. For me, it was cleaning off my workbench and filling up the trash can.

Best of luck to you!
 
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Lots of shelves. Pick one wall. Add some insulation and sheetrock or whatever. Then buy or make a whole lot of shelf brackets (or 2x4 frame) and run them from one end to the other at maybe 3 different heights. Then parallel 2x6's or 2x8's for strong shelving. 90 feet of shelving will clear a lot of stuff off the floor and you'll be motivated to do the next step. JMO.
 

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Clean garage to get cars parked in. Then savor the money you do not spend
 

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My $.02 Rent a Pod and spot it in the driveway. Get a couple of strong-looking guys off the local corner. Move everything out, sort some as you go. Clean space and have a think.

Back into the empty space, rip out the fiberboard etc. Get a dumpster if needed. Re-wire as needed. Patch concrete as needed. Redo the walls and ceiling with insulation and covering of choice, While you are working on this stuff, think hard about how you want to work and what you need for benches and organization. Add LIGHTS!

Then start in on the fun stuff. Spot benches. Spot machines. Attach shelves and try things out. We rarely get it all right, so stay a little loose.

Things can be moved as you get working. Mostly just start.
 

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Take a hard look at all the stuff, and be honest with yourself if you'll ever use it.
I had accumulated a huge pile of lumber, mostly odd sizes and cutoffs that I thought were too good to get rid of. After working around the pile for years, I finally got a dumpster and tossed about 80% of it. After I was done I felt better, and realized I didn't miss any of it.
 

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I just did a mini version of this. I had a medium (for me) sized project of finishing insulating and sheeting my detached garage. To do that, cabinets, lumber racking etc had to come of the wall. To do that, the cabinets needed to be emptied. It forced me to look at each individual item and decide: "Am I going to put this back to never use it again or does it go in the trash?"

As others have mentioned I took a hard look at some half finished projects and supplies for other projects etc and either finished them, outsourced them or tossed them. The space now feels so much better.
 
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jbfab

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I know how you feel. I started off in a very similar situation with my 24x24 shop. It was a poorly lit un-insulated shell with a leaky roof, rotten siding, and compromised concrete. I went back and forth as to whether or not I should just tear it down and start over, or try to fix what I already had. Also like you, I knew deep down that I wasn't comfortable spending the money to replace, so that option was off the table.

I believe it was the youtuber AvE who once said, "...it's already f-d, we can't f-it any more..."

I couldn't possibly make it any worse, but I could certainly make things better. I decided to do my best to fix up what I had as time and money allowed. Will my shop ever be perfect or large enough? Nope. Are there things I wished I would have done differently? Yep. Is my shop significantly better than what I had before? Absolutely.

It's a slow journey, but a rewarding one. It is also often a process of two steps forward, one step back. But every step is progress. It took me a good 5 years to get to a point where I was spending more time working in my shop rather than on it. If you look at all the things that need to be done, it can be overwhelming. I suggest focusing on one thing that can make your space better and execute. For me, it was cleaning off my workbench and filling up the trash can.

Best of luck to you!
That's encouraging, and likely the way I'll progress (it's how I've started anyway).
Lots of shelves. Pick one wall. Add some insulation and sheetrock or whatever. Then buy or make a whole lot of shelf brackets (or 2x4 frame) and run them from one end to the other at maybe 3 different heights. Then parallel 2x6's or 2x8's for strong shelving. 90 feet of shelving will clear a lot of stuff off the floor and you'll be motivated to do the next step. JMO.
I was thinking about getting some pallet type racking (but the 2' stuff sold at Menards). Now I'm thinking maybe I'll just build some and attach to the wall - I am a welder after all. Of course then it would not be as easily adjustable.
My $.02 Rent a Pod and spot it in the driveway. Get a couple of strong-looking guys off the local corner. Move everything out, sort some as you go. Clean space and have a think.

Back into the empty space, rip out the fiberboard etc. Get a dumpster if needed. Re-wire as needed. Patch concrete as needed. Redo the walls and ceiling with insulation and covering of choice, While you are working on this stuff, think hard about how you want to work and what you need for benches and organization. Add LIGHTS!

Then start in on the fun stuff. Spot benches. Spot machines. Attach shelves and try things out. We rarely get it all right, so stay a little loose.

Things can be moved as you get working. Mostly just start.
If my wife had her way that's how we would do it. I just can't get behind that. I'd spend more time fishing out tools to do the remodel than it's worth. Alternatively, I intend to split it into 3 bays. pull everything out of one bay, remodel, and move to the next.
 

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I don't get that, when I was younger I could put anything together out of nearly nothing. As I get older I meticulously plan and then put the brakes on immediately when something isn't how I planned. I'm not sure how or why that happened, and it isn't in all facets of my life, but it surely is a change.
The apparent cost of failure went up. I see it in myself also. I spent 10 hours this weekend working on getting hinges mortised in for a jewelry box. 20 years ago, I'd have just done it, and if I screwed something up, I'd just remake the part. Now, I am busier with other things in life, I have less time to work on stuff, so I am more reluctant to have to re-do something because of a mistake and end up taking more time that it would have to just make the mistake and get on with things.
 
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