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Parker 493 Bench Vise

jdkinc

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I inherited a Chas Parker 493 bench vise from my Dad & would like to know any info regarding value. The patent date states 1830. It seems to be a little early given what research I have done, but I have looked at it 57 times & it still says 1830. I would appreciate any info regarding value, history or where to sell it.

Thanks for any help
 

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I inherited a Chas Parker 493 bench vise from my Dad & would like to know any info regarding value. The patent date states 1830. It seems to be a little early given what research I have done, but I have looked at it 57 times & it still says 1830. I would appreciate any info regarding value, history or where to sell it.

Thanks for any help

You are correct - it says 1830. The numbers that are used in castings are often hand-placed into a mold or pattern by the molder. It is common for mistakes to be made including the use of incorrect letters and numbers. Your vise in an anomaly, but has a patent date of 1930.

Brian
 

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Thanks for your info & quick reply. I am located in upstate NY & really need to "thin the herd", but I need some idea of value before I decide whether or not to sell this.
 

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You are correct - it says 1830. The numbers that are used in castings are often hand-placed into a mold or pattern by the molder. It is common for mistakes to be made including the use of incorrect letters and numbers. Your vise in an anomaly, but has a patent date of 1930.

Brian

First time I seen one of your molds Brian, I noticed in the first picture a fan gate is used to fill the cavity. I have so many questions, shrink, venting, mold base etc. Maybe some day we can chat. I am ordering a brand new CNC so my old one will be open to mold possibilities. Thanks for the picture, would love to visit a foundry like yours, made 100's of plastic injection molds and maybe I can make one for the old Wilton bases everyone looks for. I know these are a little easier and not so precise then the ones I used to build.
 

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I restored one like yours jdkinc. Mine is a #22. Yours might bring in $150 on e-bay if you had the wrench. You just do not know, put a reserve on it at a price you are comfortable with. Research and see what they sold for. Good luck.
 

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Ebay asking prices are pie in the sky. Do an advanced search of sold auctions to see what the vise has sold for previously. Even then, it's common for someone to overpay for a vise just because they want it and/or don't know any better.
 
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First time I seen one of your molds Brian, I noticed in the first picture a fan gate is used to fill the cavity. I have so many questions, shrink, venting, mold base etc. Maybe some day we can chat. I am ordering a brand new CNC so my old one will be open to mold possibilities. Thanks for the picture, would love to visit a foundry like yours, made 100's of plastic injection molds and maybe I can make one for the old Wilton bases everyone looks for. I know these are a little easier and not so precise then the ones I used to build.

Bummer - you must have missed my posts a few months back discussing a similar situation which eventually led to comments about "fly-specking" vises for errors like this.

The gate you see is fed from the bottom into two cavities simultaneously. The idea is to reduce the velocity of the metal into the cavity to prevent erosion of the mold and to reduce oxides that form from turbulent metal flow. Setting up a perfect sprue, runner, gating, and risering system takes years of experience or a computer simulator like "Magma" to get it right. My expertise is with the molding materials (sand & binder systems) and not gating/risering. I merely know enough to be dangerous :)

I have the stated goal of making my own vise here, but I either need a complete vise which will act as a pattern, or a mechanical drawing (we use Solidworks) of one that can be cut into a wood pattern using our cnc mill. The nice thing about a drawing is that I could make the pattern any size I want!

I'll bet you could arrange to visit a local college/university in your area that has a foundry program and get a tour. Check the American Foundry Society's (AFS) website for a local chapter and send them an email requesting a list of schools with foundry programs.

Brian
 
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I'll bet you could arrange to visit a local college/university in your area that has a foundry program and get a tour. Check the American Foundry Society's (AFS) website for a local chapter and send them an email requesting a list of schools with foundry programs.

Brian

Thanks Brian. I will look into your suggestion.

I do not use solid works but have a few designers close by that would charge about $300 to $500 for a solid model of a vise.

If all you need is a core made out of wood then making bases would be pretty easy to make out of wood. I am going to explore this some more. Again thanks.

Sorry jdkinc for hijacking you post but do some research and like what thehorse13 said look at past sales on e-bay or spend a little time with Google and search the images for a visual search. They keep old e-bay listing too.
 
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Regarding the e-bay & google search. I've done that & there doesn't seem to be one that has sold anywhere. I'll keep looking tho & thanks for the info.
 

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Charles Parker started his manufacturing career inventing and producing coffee mills in a small shop in 1832. He didn't start producing vises until much later.

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jdkinc

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I realize that the date didn't make much sense, however that is what is stamped on the vise.
 
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