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Parts washer for engine/trans rebuilders

Graymills - Craig

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Hi, all.

I was wondering if I could pick your brains for a bit. I'm looking to design the ultimate parts washer (maybe 2-3 models with various actions) for engine and transmission rebuilders or race teams, and this group really knows there stuff. If you could help me out, I'd love to know:

1) What are you using now?
2) What sort of volume (# of engines, transmissions) do you do per day/week/month/whatever?
3) What do you like about your current system?
4) What drives you batty about your current system?
5) What could your system do to make your job easier?
6) Anything else you'd want?

Many thanks!
Craig
 
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bobcatdan

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I have a model 700 which serves my needs just fine, but I'm more general repair service. If I was doing engines or trannies full time, I'd look at an automatic washer. Set the block in on the turn table, set the timer and do other things while it washes.
 
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Graymills - Craig

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I have a model 700 which serves my needs just fine, but I'm more general repair service. If I was doing engines or trannies full time, I'd look at an automatic washer. Set the block in on the turn table, set the timer and do other things while it washes.

Hi, Dan. When you talk about an automatic washer, do you mean one of those front load spray washer units like this:

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bobcatdan

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Yup. When I was a Ford mechanic, the front load was used probably 90% of the time. The standard parts washer wasn't used for much more then wheel bearings.
 

Bdgjr215

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Places i worked at had bake out ovens that turned every thing to ash.Machine work would
Be done and then a final was in the jet washer(turntable)
 
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bdelmar2

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1) Two 55 gallon drum type solvent tanks. One for really dirty stuff like cases/covers, one for internal parts.

2) Say 5-7 transmission rebuilds a week, several odd mechanical jobs that vary widely in a given week, head gaskets/timing chains/oil pans/etc.... 5 man shop, 2 mainly trans, 2 mechanical, 1 chasing jobs/parts/money. Tanks run a lot.

3) Better than no tanks for sure. Been there done that, cases of brake clean are expensive and a huge hassle.

4) Nothing drives me batty, tanks are old and no longer have the filter systems, wish they still had those.

5) Improvements would include the filters back as mentioned, we also have one of those automatic washers but the electric motor went out before I started working here they just managed to get the motor back. Need to get it up and running.


With the automatic washer up, we could get by with one clean tank in trans areas and move one into mechanical area.

Honestly I've never used an automatic washer before, but I will still want tanks handy for speed and convenience.

If I've got a trans case and parts in the automatic washer you know somebody else is going to need to clean something.

If I have just a small part or two to clean its going to be faster and easier to just hit the switch and scrub it off quick in the tank next to me instead of crossing the shop firing up the automatic washer, waiting for it to finish and then back across the shop.

While I haven't used an automatic washer I've seen them working and they are hot and noisy, so definitely not something you want to work directly next to in sunny summer Florida - or anywhere I guess, lol.


If I was designing a system some things I would want are:

1) Functional:

We have 3 trans tear down table with the drain trough in the back, the drains like to plug up, have to always remember to check underneath to see if the bucket is full, and they all have a crossbar support slap in the way of removing the bucket so you have to crouch down, lift a bucket full of dirty trans fluid up about a foot and pull it straight out between this bar and the top support rail where it just barely fits.

Bad, bad design. 3 different manufactures all the same way. Hard to do, guaranteed mess, and something you have to do pretty much every day or two.

Not sure how you could make checking the bucket easier, but having the area to remove the bucket when its full without obstructions is not rocket science.

Wheels, in my opinion everything should be on wheels, good locking wheels. I understand it adds to the cost so maybe make them optional. Better yet, optional to not have them.

Sturdy:

Two of the tear down tables are nice and stable, welded together. The third one is bolted and has gotten rickety over the years. Nothing a couple few hours of pulling it and welding wouldn't fix, but time is money.

Material:

Stainless Steel is great, expensive, but nice. Steel is ok, but always looks ratty. Wood top maybe as an option, but really doesn't hold up well in high volume shops.

Modular:

Everything should be interlocking, or at least have the ability to sit next to/under/over each other nicely. Ideally tables/tops/tanks would be able to interlock inline, or at right angles. Something easy and fast that will hold up and be sturdy.

Should be able to have drawer banks that will slide under and lock in.

Height: I'm a tall guy and would really love the option to raise the height of work surfaces, will kinda mess with the interlocking part and optional wheels, but a solvable problem. This is especially true of solvent tanks.

Even shorter people complain about how low tanks are. Spending a couple few hours bent over a solvent tank is murder on the back. Nothing a couple bricks won't fix, but makes solvent change out a hassle for the barrel type tank anyway.

Restaurant equipment has a lot of these features. Half of the stuff in our trans area is old restaurant stuff. Exchange sink for parts washer and automatic parts washer for dishwasher and you are pretty much there.
 

jimindm

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This is a good question. I have a landa that is an automatic unit. I would call it kind of a chest type, where the lid tips back and the parts go into a basket. the jetting action comes from a spinning arm that goes around the basket. It heats the cleaning solution and holds about 100 gallons.

I would say in the perfect world shops would be designed around the place you would want one. Meaning that water, drains and electric would be close. Very few shops are that thought out. Electric can be run almost anywhere, in any shop. Water can be as simple as a garden hose stretched across the floor. A floor drain to clean it out, is not so easy to just put in.

A good set of casters would be nice. I figure mine full of solution weighs close to 1000 lbs. There is really no good way of draining it, other than rolling it close to where you can.

Some kind of gate valve drain system would be nice. Mine has a three inch plug, and it will definitely flow out when you remove it. The big size is nice for cleaning it out once it is drained, but getting to that point, an not making a mess is a challenge.

I would like to see a cleansing system that would skim more than about the first two inches of solution. After mine burns off or uses about ten gallons, the skimmer is no longer in the water. The unit itself will operate until in burns off several more inches, before automatically shutting down.

I think designing one for all needs would be tough. A race shop I would think would be dealing with parts that are normally pretty clean to begin with. IMO most their washing would not be dealing with caked on grime from years of oil leaks and dirt and debri.

While mine is small comparative to many on the market, I think one smaller would be more in demand. There are a lot of DIY guys and small one man shops that just plain do not need a unit that is so large. It should also bring the price down some.

I think if you could get an automatic unit down to the $1k-$2k price range, many would opt for it as a piece of equipment to have. Solvent based product is hard to get rid of any more. Most soaps are biodegradable for the automatics now. Like said above, who does not like nice clean parts, when you can wash them automatically.

Smaller boxes of soap product would be great. Fifty pounds is about the norm and it takes me a year or better to use it. I am very careful about tying it up after adding to my machine. I try to keep the moisture out. Still by the time I get to the bottom it is very chunky, and needs broke up to dissolve in the water
 
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